Also depends if the Harrier knows what they are doing. Something to bare in mind as well, is that a huge power of the Harriers is VIFF’ing. (Vector in forward flight). It can be quite tricky on Keyboard and mouse or controller to configure VIFF smoothly. I use a dual throttle for SB and it’s a doddle.
they are also insanely good at reversals too, when faster jets dive on you it is the most satisfying reversing them and gunning them with either the high velocity 25mm ADEN stealth rounds or the high velocity F-35 25mm GAU cannon.
su27s cant carry 4 r37ets regardless
Yeah. That was an IRL tactic, slam the nozzles forward into the breaking stop and at the same time perform a barrel roll. The aircraft behind you then magically appears in your cross hairs a few seconds later.
If you havent read it yet, I strongly recommend “Harrier: How to be a fighter Pilot” by Paul Tremeling. it is awesome and almost mandatory reading for the FA2 and Gr7/9
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That only works against people who have no idea what they are doing of course. The hovering is a a bit broken in War Thunder but even then the next guy should wipe the floor with you if the first did not manage to extend.
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My point exactly. Even though I would love to have 4 ET, ER is so good that I’m not crying about not being able to have 4 ET either with 2 more pylons or due to switching out 2 ER for ET.
Do you follow?
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Probably late response (was in battle) but oh well…
Yes, the FA.2 most likely is faster than AV-8B
I like to call the FA.2 “Gen 1.5 Harrier” since it has some features of 2nd gens and some from 1st gens.
Big difference is that FA.2 was designed for fleet defense while AV-8B went through major redesign to have better payload capabilities.
AV-8B is slower due to new bigger wing and LERX but that same wing also gives it edge in turning fight.
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im not crying either tho if thats what ur trying to point out
First a little to slow now a little to fast.^^
I’m just trying to underscore how useful R-27ER can be to you. No matter at which state of the match you are. You will not always be able to use all four of them to great success but that is the case fpor every missile.
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But some fighter, cannot slow down like the harrier. Its just not in the cards.
Keep in mind you are a Mirage expert mostly. That is the biggest threat to the Harrier imo because it retains all the abilities to turn with and cut into the harrier and light enough to stop and go with it.
F-104?^^
Sure thing but not many aircraft I’d call a fighter struggle against Harrier unless the situation has been misunderstood. We were talking about MiG-29 at first as well…
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Yep, nothing can brake check as well as the Harrier IIs can. I wouldnt want to dogfight something like a Gripen in the Gr7, and I dont have a huge amount of experience fighting F-16s (due to SB mostly being against soviets, and so aircraft like the Mig-23 and Mig-29) but i have punished more than a few Mig-29s in the Gr7 and it is hilarious every single time. The only does struggle more in a furball envrioment. Better suited for the 1 on 1 engagements in SB.
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MiG-29G with airbreak below 1100 km/h without afterbruner?
Like multipel others as well.
Sure if yo uunderestimate Harrier everything can happen. I speak fro mexperience here as well, but objectively the Harrier should have no chance.
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SMT has issues dogfighting a min fuel harrier.
You are comparing it to the best Mig29 in game brother.
All we said is it’s a good dogfighter. Not go toe to toe with the best aircraft variants in game. lol
However give them Ms and Aim-120s. The Jet is going to be something not to be trifled with.
it better it will be my favourite
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I’d rather take the Tornado F.3^^
Also what if the SMT is on min fuel. The SMT still is one of the best itself.
Sure you need to manage your energy but I see Harrier as a CAS platforem which has reasonable chances of trying to defend itself against some aircraft…
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Yeah, I’ll play the FA2 over the Gripen C all day long without question
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its crap. It is underperforming imo.
Devs believe the extra 2000lbs of upgrades degrade the performance as seen in game. Not much sources out there to attest or contend.
the SMT has an insanely crap roll rate too at any fuel state. The jet is limited on alpha more than any other in any fuel state as well. It appears they desire it to be a more long-range boom and zoom instead for longer range missions.
It falls out of the sky rather easy. It’s heart breaking.
I’d have to see what they are actually like, but the fact the Gr7 can go from Mach 0.9 to 0 and still be able to fight is not something to mess with and thats without also adding in some turns to bleed speed as well
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Does that work while turning? Otherwise you are fodder.
If it does all the enemy has to do is extend or rate you in wide circles…
While I realise SIM is of course rather different to RB that is the territory where a SU-27 or MiG will simply utilise some supermaneuverability to sick a R-73 on you and gun you if it did not hit.
At best I see a hovering Harrier trade with the other jet when guns are being used.
If the other comes fro above to do that you might as well start losing control.
Of course that is what might happen if the enemy is playing your game. If not they do nto want to they should be able to extend nicely and just boom and zoom you or rate you.
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