oh and theres the leopard ingame for comparison if anyone cares
Base Cr2 without any add on armor combat ready weight is 64t
67.38T is with Dorchester Level 2E kit equipped.
Why would you compare a Base CR2 to a 2A7V?
because the Black night is a tech demo the 3TD is a tech demo the 2E is export and the 2F TES and OES are all armour packages so it being heavier with them is basic knowledge
But wouldn’t the 2A5 or 2A6 a better comparison?
Like, why not compare a T-80 with a T-80U
I’m trying to understand this discussion about the weight comparison between the challenger and the Leopard
@Rzi4628-live You can say it as many times as you want that the leopard weighs more, what remains is that it has at least a 1500hp engine to compensate for the aforementioned weight, this cannot be said for the challenger
Becuase it was so unfair to compare the heaviest configuration of a 2A7V with the heaviest configuration of a Challenger 2.
Clearly comparing the lighest ingame version of a Challenger 2 with the heaviest ingame version of the BW’s Leopard 2 is the fairer comparison.
the base CR2 isnt the lightest that would be the CR2E or the CR3TD and the configuration of the 2a7 im using isnt the heaviest
saying its “obese” is calling it fat is calling it heavy when its got the average weight of a modern mbt with yes less power to compensate but that was never part of the conversation from what i know
maybe they would but its not the point im trying to put across
And say it, what the point that YOU are trying to make
that the challenger isnt “obese” as its weight is average for a modern mbt but it can be considered underpowered
It still is obese, the actual comparison would be more like 2a5/6 vs chally 2
2A7V is pretty much only further upgraded 2a5/6. The addon armor is the same as you adding ERA
We just dont like ERA
64T i wouldnt consider obese, now 75T yeah sure but 64 in modern day is quite average
Bro the combat weight with addon equipment is still 75t on a Challenger 2
The maximum allowed weight of a Leopard 2A7V is 69t
The combat weight of a Leopard 2A7V in the heaviest configuration the BW uses is 66.5t
Without addon equipment, the combat weight of a Leopard 2A7V is 63.9t
The combat weight (not maximum weight, combat weight) of a Challenger 2 with addon equipment is 8.5t higher than the combat weight of a 2A7V with addon equipment and 6t higher than the maximum possible weight of a 2A7V.
but the modern up to date challenger would be 70T or the 75T, dont know if the TES is the actual in service variant.
But the 2F at least seems to have been
you are again using the heaviest possibly config of the challenger
well the ones we sent to ukraine were normal models but i think if britain was to actually use them in war we would put the armour packages on i just dont think we wanted to send them against russia cause its secret shi
Who do both those images say “Max launch range 70kg” ? Lol.
Canadian units of measurement called
cause they suck at making placards 2024 Zuhai had one labelled turbomotor instead of Turbojet for example, if you search youll find more typos, the older you go the more