The surface launched SM-6 is supposed to outrange it by a good distance, depending on where you source your information.
And the AIM-174 is an air launched missile… I dunno what else to say, it’s just a logical conclusion.
That is only the upper stage of the missile and is missing the huge booster that is accelerating it
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As Ron noted, the big booster from SM-6 was removed to make it compatible for the AIM-174B, it is only fair to say that the biggest source of thrust was removed from it.
F/A-18E/F
Which already struggles to go supersonic on its own and it will not be helped by the extra drag and weight of the aim174
Pretty much every other jet can launch their BVR missiles at close to if not higher than mach2
While the hornet struggles with speed and gaining altitude
5km alt and mach 1.05 I think AIM-174B would be longest effective range missile in game by far, the altitude and launch speed even if it’s not that fast compared to other aircraft make up for the lack of booster
So how much range would that be?
Because I have seen a r37m being launched at a target 200km away in those conditions
How can you conclude this unless you know the booster mass of SM-6?
It definitely has much longer range than the AIM-120D which from estimates is pretty close to AIM-54 range, which would make it the longest range missile ingame
Ah I thought you were comparing it to other future missiles
No clue on specifics but I really doubt it’s less than the Pheonix
Aim-54 range is nothing
There is the meteor with +250km
There is the Pl-17 with +300km
There is the r-37 with +300km
And those aren’t even the highest range values/ estimates you can find for those missiles
Yeah, and the 174 will have enough raw power behind it to match anything else in the battle despite the Shornets crippling weakness. Whole point of the missile is a stupidly long ranged telephone pole in the first place.
Still won’t make the Shornet good, but it might be enough not keep it from being obvious dead weight to a team.
God, I wish they’d put ANY engine more powerful into that poor plane. What a sad “upgrade.”
Twin navalized F119’s
Where is your source?
For everything else we have values, but for the AIM-174 we might as well have fairy dust
Just like the r37 or pl17 which both are on way better launch platforms.
I dont think that sacrificing most of you amraams for 4 aim174 will help your team that much
If sources can be found on the booster and what speed/alt it detaches at maybe range can be estimated off SM-6 stuff
:shrug: The same place you’re sourcing from probably, just people guessing based on how much it weighs and what other missiles can do. https://old.reddit.com/r/CredibleDefense/comments/1dtk3h3/credibledefense_daily_megathread_july_02_2024/lbherao
Unless anyone can prove for a fact how much power the booster gives this whole argument is going to go nowhere. I’m going to keep saying it’ll be fine and you can go on saying it’ll be worse than going in for guns.
Two very different statements.
One statement claims to know that AIM-174B will “outrange all of them handedly” but then another states this argument will go nowhere because there isn’t a lot of information/facts.
Yeah i did mention it here
They just shouldn’t be in the same update
They’re going to be identical for air RB I think.
Also J-10C is larger than JF-17, and JF-17 is larger than J-10A.
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