I was talking about the leak list not the vehicle.
Correct me if im wrong, but what is preventing the DL being sent, when the radar is not searching? While they use the same antenne, they use different channels. There should be no problem doing so.
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Annoying how it hasn’t worked for 1.5 years now. At first, it’d fire several charges to hit a single missile, but it’d still kill the missile. Then Gaijin said they “fixed” the problem, which means it won’t waste 3 charges on one missile now. However, now it just straight up doesn’t damage incoming rockets in the first place now. My favorite part has to be them adding a new tank with a working APS, and the comments on its development article ask if Trophy will be fixed.
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Because the IRST can not get the accuracies location of the enemy plane, and if the missile is not aligned between the IRST and the target, the plane literally can’t give accurate information to the missile has to where it should go. Obviously passive ranging could mitigate that, but it’s currently not a thing. As of now, the EFT having the distance to target using the IRST is just a place holder until passive ranging is modeled. Realistically, it should be just like SAM IRST, with only the location of the target for slewing weapons. This ability to have DL with only the IRST is a symptom of this placeholder ability
On another note, it’s weird that they gave this capability to the SU30SM and EFT (with a report for the EFT denied by the devs), and not the rafale
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Then i guess sources might be contradicting what you say, as very early version of PIRATE had range error small enough, to guide AMRAAM up to ~40 km. Well within current 30km IRST limit. Was it improved? Idk. But by the current game standard it should be able to do so.
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No that’s a terrible Idea, either we have an off map EAWACS airframe providing equal DL or none.
Having people squad up in 4s and just destroying lobbies is not a good time.
That’s using passive ranging. An IRST on its own is incapable of ranging to a targets to guide a missile, you need to get somewhat accurate 3D coordinates.
Some time ago, we discussed that within the error margin of the PIRATE and the size of the cone at which an AMRAAM can pick up a target, PIRATE should be capable of guiding an AMRAAM to about 40-60km, which aligns with what you say.
Thing is, passive ranging requires specific maneuvers to get different bearings of the target and triangulate its position. This is currently not modeled in game. The EFT can currently use IRST DL in whatever phase of its flight which is incorrect
I challenge you in game to hit a 30km shot with a 120 in IRST mode.
How is this relevant to the discussion in any way ?
Because ingame it offers little to no edge.
You cannot lock and track targets at 50km with Pirate and you cannot guide a 120 that far.
Realistically it is for 10km and below shots and while it is “fun” to use it far less effective than an actual functioning AESA Radar.
Ok, i assume it is one of the features that will make its way into the game at some point, unless game convention.
But back to the original topic. You said IRST can not provide correct DL information, as it cant provide accurate information about the plane and the missile, but it can.
First of all, if we don’t consider the IRST issues at getting a 30km lock, it’s guidance with DL of the AIM120 works the just as well with radars and IRST that have this DL capability. This gives an « edge » in two ways : the enemy might be unaware it’s being shot at in the seconds before the missile goes pitbull, and IRST has better gimbal limits than radars in most cases.
Now, it might not be much, especially for the AIM120, but I thought you guys were the first to jump on unrealistic behaviors, whatever small they are. I’m just doing the exact same. Thing is, the EFT IRST should be far less capable at guiding missiles. It’s DL capability is also not really proven but mostly assumed.
As of now, the only 2 planes that should be able to use this mechanic fully are the SU30SM and the Rafale, and one of them isn’t capable of doing it in game
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I said that as of now, passive ranging in game is not a thing. The ability for the IRST to give accurate distances is a placeholder mechanic.
Also, my discussion about IRST not being able to give accurate DL was to explain how, without passive ranging being used, such passive systems just can’t get acc it accurate guidance information. It was not for saying that PIRATE didn’t use such systems.
Rafale can walk on water to hear you lot talk.
As I said remove it, it offers very little for how the IRST system functions there is no sensor fusion to use it correctly.
And 120 is nowhere near as dangerous as a MICA it’s only use is in ground battles and even then we would all swap it for Rafles or Su-30s Radar.
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Rafale and Su30SM have active laser range finders. If stating that is the same as saying that it can walk on the water, you kinda make Mulatu’s point when he says the EFT is lacking technologically.
That was simply not a consideration for the EFT for whatever reason, and they decided to use ranging, that’s a fact and it’s not going to change by dissing other planes.
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Hard to take that guy serious when they are even bad at baiting people (sadly people still fall for bad bait).
Bug reports were made about that a year ago when the Iranian Tomcat was added
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/tJKBcYkDfnCU
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But this report talks about the Fakour, not the AIM-54…
There was also one for the aim54 that was just the one I could easily find, it isn’t that easy to find 1 year old bug reports