Full airframe redesign make it a new airplane, it was based on the first harrier, but it’s still a new aircraft
So you agree the Old mustang was British since the Americans redesign it into a better aircraft : P
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Like the old old mustangs? With the Allison engines?
Made in US by North American but yeah initially USAAF wasn’t involved so I’d consider them more of a joint project from a design standpoint, but in service it was a British aircraft
Not just engine, the entire aircraft
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Made by North American? Originally to British request but from P-51B onwards was for USA, by US manufacturer
It was made by a US company, but was developed completely independently from the US, being developed for britain to british standards. Hell without britain, theres a good chance the Mustang would never have existed (or at least not in its historical config) without the British, since at the time North American had never built a fighter aircraft and were more focused on things like the Harvard
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I know, that’s why I specified from P-51B onwards was made on USA for the USA
Earlier ones were for UK, made in USA
Yeah, from the B onwards they were more of a joint project, and both nations used them extensively
im not entirely sure what people are arguing about here but Im strongly of the opinion that if a nation used a vehicle in large enough numbers, or it fills a gap that it should get it
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I mean without Malysia they would of most likely not had the rubber for it lol
The rubber for the tires used on the P-51 Mustang during World War II likely came from a mix of sources, primarily tied to the global rubber supply situation at the time.
Key Sources of Rubber for P-51 Mustang Tires:
- Natural Rubber (Pre-War and Limited Wartime Use):
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Southeast Asia: Before World War II, most natural rubber used in U.S. industries, including aircraft tire manufacturing, came from British Malaya (modern-day Malaysia), Indonesia, and other Southeast Asian regions.
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- During the war, Japanese control of much of Southeast Asia in 1941–1942 disrupted natural rubber supplies, forcing the U.S. to pivot to alternatives.
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Synthetic Rubber (Primary Source During Wartime):
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With natural rubber supplies cut off, the U.S. ramped up production of synthetic rubber through programs like the U.S. Rubber Reserve Company.
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Synthetic rubber was produced from petroleum-based feedstocks, such as butadiene and styrene. The key manufacturing centers were in the United States, particularly along the Gulf Coast and Midwest.
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Companies like Goodyear, Firestone, and U.S. Rubber Company developed and manufactured tires specifically for military aircraft, including the P-51 Mustang.
What part of “before WW2” doesn’t make sense to you?
If only they had won a few more battles they would be on top of this chart
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okay and?
without US oil Britain likely wouldnt have won the battle of Britain
soo all of the 1940s RAF aircraft for the US?
WW2 was team effort, the whole idea that any one nation would have single handedly won it is wrong, the war could have turned out very differently if any of the allies weren’t involved
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Someone made a claim that UK should get merkava bc loose technical connection/they controlled the region a while ago. I made a list of aircraft and ground vehicles with similar/closer technical ties to the US which are present in other trees to highlight why their reasoning was pretty bad, then ppl started arguing about the av8b and mustang not being american, and then we are here
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Okay so, trying to digest that roller coaster of a paragraph
That has to be bait or a joke, because thats just stupid
yeah, whilst harrier was originally a british design, the Harrier II was largely done by the US until the UK rejoined later on, with the First GR.5 prototype being assembled from an AV-8B airframe, and both the British and American Harrier IIs having some pretty distinct differences.
as said above, the early mustangs not really, but from the B onwards were more of a joint project.
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That is a big part of why I hate the “major-minor” thing that happens.
Minor is used to put down the actions of many nations, and act like you could remove them from WW2 and nothing would change despite the fact without them many of the victories (or even “glories” that the majors have) wouldn’t be possible.
I thought France was number 1 in surrendering. Btw when was Rome a separate nation?
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I believe its in reference to the empire with the same name
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yeah I mean without:
UK - Western europe would have fallen, and would have meant Axis could focus purely on the east, no D-Day either
USA - No lend lease, lack of american industry and economic support to the rest of the allies, Soviets and UK would be almost guaranteed loss
USSR - almost direct opposite of the UK, there would be no eastern front manpower black hole and Germany wouldn’t have to worry about multiple fronts (apart from North Africa)
Canada - Provided a base for a lot of foreign equipment to come from the US (not just lend lease) and also proved invaluable in the Battle of the Atlantic
Australia + NZ - Basically formed a barrier to stop japan from moving south, and Australian troops helped massively in pushing them back from New Guinea
India - Provided massive amounts of support to the Chinese front and helped to stop the japanese advance on mainland asia
France - contrary to popular belief, early on in the war they held out strongly and basically stopped the entire British forces from being destroyed, they also helped a lot in lesser fronts like East Africa and the French resistance were key to liberating france
the list goes on…
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Depending on the way you count it, it would be Germany or Pakistan. All the Holy Roman Empire states made thousands of individual surrenders. If you count that as collective Germany then there is your answer.
If you’re looking for largest number of troops surrendered at once it would be Pakistan coming in at 93,000 in a single surrender.
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dont forget almost 2.1 million tons of bombs dropped by USAAF lol
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