Yeah, the way to do it is to structure BR brackets so that the worst vehicle in the range actually stands a chance against the best, and that has to happen all the way down to 1.0, which means decompression, or a 0.7 matchmaker, personally I like the 0.7 matchmaker as it is universal and would likely only require small BR changes on awkward to balance vehicles like the F-104 and A-10
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USMC hornet, AN/APG-79v4 radar, AIM-120D-3, AIM-9X block 2 vs Kfir C10 block 60, AESA radar, I-DerbyER, P5?
Yeah, 0.7 I think would work better than trying to spread vehicles out excessively.
With the current BRs I think 0.7 would be fine for top tier, just need to spread 7.0-10.0 out as well, which will natually push everything else up
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The most boring aerial combat ever
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I mean the F/A-18 smokes that, you’re looking at at least 6 AMRAAMs for BVR against 2 maybe 3 much shorter-range Derbys, more equivalent to the 120C-5, that’s a range advantage of at least 60km, only if the Kfir manages to get to Python 5 range does it have a chance, but front aspect it will be easier to decoy and in a dogfight again the Hornet smokes the Kfir
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Hornet very slow so effectively range will be more even.
Kfir has good flight performance top, hornet only really good at low speeds
Aim120d would have a massive range advantage regardless of the launch platform.
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I think you’re missing the fact that the I-Derby-ER isn’t that good, it’s an export weapon, for countries that can’t buy AMRAAMs for either financial or political reasons, it gives 80% of an AIM-120C-5 for 1/3rd the cost, also the Hornet isn’t that bad with an interception type loadout, 4-6 AIM-120s and 2 AIM-9s whereas the C.10 can carry a max of 4 missiles, so even with 4 Derbys it’s at a disadvantage in a BVR joust despite it’s added speed the Hornet can engage from further and can always have a missile in the air allowing it to close distance much more safely, the Kfir has to defend almost constantly, and like I said once in the merge the Hornet wins
you put C-5s on the Hornet and maybe it’s a contest but Ds it really isn’t
fair enough. how much does an I-Derby-ER cost by the way?
really? i dont think it would have a range advantage if fired off a SLAMRAAM truck or humvee
lol, Hyperbole, but the difference between a Mach 1.8 Hornet and Mach 2.3 Kfir would likely not be as significant as the difference between the missiles themselves
yeah, probably. power of motor probably compensates for speed differmce
the next best comparison would be 2022 AV-8B+ but not fair to put subsonic attacker against AESA supersonic fighter
Best I can find, cost for export customers is 2.95mil for AIM-120C and 2.38mil for I-Derby-ER however that was from 981 AIM-120 vs 48 I-Derby-ER so even ignoring the likely discount on the AMRAAM the Derby is 80% the cost, but it is hard to say, as like I say, people tend to buy a lot of AMRAAMs and likely get reduced unit prices vs if they just bought 48.
1/3rd cost was a definite exaggeration, but I’d guess it’s closer to 60-70% on smaller purchases for 80-90% of the effectiveness and none of the US oversight
woah what the heck. something is off about those numbers. AIM-120D-3 costs just about a million apiece, there is no way a C-5 costs 2.95 million
It’s more expensive for export, the US gets them for about a mil other countries have to pay a pretty big markup usually
I doubt they have anything remotely planned or leaked, is there any yet?
oh ok, so in actuality, an AIM-120D-3 costs less than the I-Derby-ER, but just gets marked up for foreign sales?
F/A-18C and Su-30SM, Richelieu, XM246, Tracked Rapier, Badger IFV
thing is Israel doesn’t use the Derby, so we don’t know how much they’d have to pay for it, but for export yes the Derby is cheaper
Defense Security Cooperation Agency
Germany bought 969 AIM-120C-8s plus related equipment for $2.9billion