Those should have been either 12.3 or with dutch one 12.7, no where near 12.7 deserved.
Still the thing is much better than even the F16 with AIM7 considering it isn’t that good of a SARH, and very comparable to 13.0s like J8F, very much an equivalent.
12.3 is crazy for F16A. 12.7 is fine for them, the issue is that most of the 13.0’s should be 13.3.
Most of the phantoms are at 12.0 with the same aim7f or worse (depending on the nation), worse radar, worse IR missiles, worse RWR. Hell stuff like the F1C with its 4 way RWR is fighting shit like F14’s.
We dont need compression here, if anything the F16A’s should be 13.0 and the current 13.0 should be 13.3-13.7.
Amen to that
12.7 is fine but that’s more opinion.
The C.10 is stronger than a good amount of 13.0s and on par with a few others, it more than belongs there.
I mean the AIM9L only F16s. They have no business being higher than things like Mirage CS5
But when they had to put in the Fakour 90 and break the target of all the planes, I never saw them taking precautions
Mirage 2000 C S4/5 have one major downside and that’s their missike count
2IR + 2 Radar just aint enough for the BR
we could easily have another full increase of one or two steps like we had when ARH was first introduced
But 6 AIM9L wouldn’t help either especially not for a BR higher, I personally would trade 6 9Ls for 2 530s and 2 Magic 2s. (mostly thinking magic 2s) and 530s can hit some targets not aware despite its chaff prone nature. Also I just hate the F16 FM for no reason, kinda over expected it to be good.
Nah the Mirage 2000 is undertiered at the moment, 2 good SARH plus 2 IRCCM missiles is a damn good kit for 12.3, it is a better missile kit than most 12.7s on a flight model that is perfectly good for that BR.
Otherwise, the F-16Cs should be lowered to 13.3 given their own lack of missiles compared to most other jets at 13.7
I dont know, 2 Fox 1 + 2 IR is better than 6 9L imo.
I use only 4 missiles on my F-20 and that is 12.7 too.
I feel the mirage should not be 12.3 tbh
Germany help with arjun turret))
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Magic II’s have IRCCM, also.
I know which ones you mean. CS5 is probably too low BR aswell, making the F16A (one of the best FM in the game mind you) that same BR is still crazy.
But you could also flip this around, why is the 2000D RMV the same BR as the F16A, it has no 530’s, its heavier than the CS5, it has to carry a gun pod yet its higher than the CS5? it makes no sense.
Making the F16A lower BR just makes the problem worse.
Edit: Forgot to mention that if you are using the F16A instead of the ADF and then complaining its worse for ARB, thats kinda the point. Same way the 2000DR1 is worse than the CS5 even though they are the same BR (and those two are much further apart in capabilities)
@Smin1080p_WT Will there be any improvements of AESA radars in game or what it is in its current state is its final form for war thunder?
Surely next major update will include new map rotations and new or reworked maps, right?
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Still waiting for them to do their gardening work and clip the trees on air maps down to a reasonable size…
They can have it…we dont need another 10.3-10.7 tank
I wish Gaijin would gave us an line in the german TT which has just NVA stuff in it
Considering we’ve had at least 1 Belgian or Dutch vehicle added every update since the BeNeLux subtrees were annouced, do y’all think there might come one as well in the next update?
Belgium is so far underrepresented in the Ground tree, with only 1 artillery piece. As the Leopard 1A5BE with the Cockerill 3105 turret was leaked before, maybe we’ll see it soon? This specific vehicle has been in the leaklists since september at least. As this is the Belgian prototype, it could also get an extremey powerfull APFSDS round made & developed by the Belgian MECAR ammunition plant for the Cockerill 105HP with 560 mm penetration at 60° at 2000 m. The round fired in the picture below is also this one.
they also face F14s and depending on version facing the fastest and longest range Fox3 in the game, so?
a kfir, good flight performance? it just goes fast and thats it, nothing else is good about it.
they are shit wdym, useless after 12km
just that fakour90 for example is the longest range and fastest fox3 in the game :)
they have more flares, more missiles, better missiles? do i need to explain everything like im talking to a toddler
no but i also think the f16s that are limited to only 9Ls should be moved to 12,3 when a mirage 2000 with the best short range ir missile and 2 good radar missiles sits at 12,3