I’m hoping for 9M and 7M at 12.7/13.0 personally, that Gulf War era Hornet
It’s also the next logical step for missiles in game, I believe it’s 60g which is only 10 over our current best, the real issue is the seeker which is much better than current IR missiles however it is already effectively modelled in game on the stinger which from what I hear is far from OP so 2-3 updates might not be such a terrible guess, personally I think December for next generation IR though
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It’s actually similar to the MICA in pull, since the P4 doesn’t have TVC and the MICA does.
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I’m not convinced that the Stingers seeker is correctly modelled, but it’s hard to tell when the missiles have a tendency to straight up miss
It’s not. Even a single flare sometimes throws it off.
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I just doubt that 9M would push it to 12.7
Worse jets are at 12.7 without AIM-9Ms. It would most certainly not be 12.3 with them.
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Yes but IRL the P4 seeker is very similar to the stinger so whatever the stinger is in game is what we should expect from the P4, I also believe that the better IRCCM missiles will always be nerfed from real life performance to keep the game playable
The Python 4 was datamined some time last year, and it had both suspension and gate width narrowing IRCCMs, so while that may have just been a placeholder, for the time being, that’s what I’m expecting it to come with.
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not only IRCCM missiles are nerfed, AIM-9L is for example, lacks of IRCCM, but still underperforms
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I doubt 9M would put it as low as 12.7, the Hornet won’t be as bad as you think, but I concede it’s possible, the Mirage F1 and 2000 have been under tiered for a while now, and they often do with aircraft of that type
Mirage F1 undertiered???
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It’s got a boat load of CMs and IRCCM missiles, I figure it’d be fine at 12.3 like the MiG-21 Bison, I mean it’s fine where it is, it’s more the Mirage 2000 that needs to move to 12.7
Boat load of IRCCM missiles
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Radar missiles it has are not great and neither is the radar and RWR
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The F1C definitely isn’t bad, but I would say it is fine at 12.0. It only gets two Magic IIs, which are limited a lot by their lack of range.
The Matra Supers really don’t work well currently (at least not when paired with the F1C s radar) and it gets only 3 of them at most anyways.
Then there is the issue of a terrible RWR…
The guns, flight performance and CM count are pretty good, not good enough to warrant a higher BR though.
two
only two.
the radar missiles are poor and the RWR is about as advanced at the ones on the early harriers.
The Bison is better in literally every measurable way.
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Meant to be boatload of CMs, and IRCCM missiles
those are it’s only redeeming quality
Honestly they should remove Magic 2 from Mirage F1C and F1C-200 and move them down to 11.3
It’s flight performance is pretty decent, and the bomb and rocket options make it great for grinding, it’s pretty equivalent to something like the Mirage 2000D at 12.3