In the history of WT, we have had a handful of vehicles added that surpasses all of it’s peers. CL-13, T-2, M1, 2A5, 2A6 etc.
But with all of these, their dominance either resulted in a quick nerf (I.e CL-13 getting a thrust nerf, Leopards getting a reload nerf), or counterparts were promptly added for others within an update or two.
I really don’t think there is anything, which has enjoyed such unrivalled, prolonged dominance, to such a massive a degree as Pantsir - for as long as Pantsir, without nerfs or counterparts being added. By the time March update rolls around, it will be two whole years of unchanged, uncontensted supremacy.
You are seeing people ask for drastic & unrealistic things like it’s removal, because they are simply so fed up. Fed up with the poor balance, and fed up with the snail for doing nothing about it.
Unfortunate, I am still hoping for some sort of CAMM+Skyranger type, because its a similar size to the Chinese thing and it would be a very capable SHORAD system.
Since when? Until the addition of Fox 3s, they dominated with the R-27ER. The R-60MK has had less nerfs than the 9L has within its lifespan. The Su-25 got to enjoy months of having a completely broken damage system, which allowed it to take four or five missiles like it was nothing.
Assuming you don’t buy extra vehicle slots, lets not forget Russia is the only nation you can just buy a full 10.3 line up for that can absolutely handle its own in a full uptier even to top tier. Because Gaijin devs will absolutely not raise the BR of the 2S38 despite consistent player outcry.
Denying the bias towards Russia is laughable.
And yet its apparently ludicrous beyond all reason to ask and push for the removal of the most OP SPAA because after nearly two years of wanting equal counter parts, we’ve only heard silence?
The R60M has less nerfs because its always just been ass? The on release 9L especially was ridiculously overtuned I remember when rear aspect locks ignored flares
There was a period when the SU-27 did dominate but the R-27ER was never a huge issue, the MiG-29 only had 2 of them and once they were spent the F-16 and AIM-9L was better, there was also the F-14 which was pretty dominant for a while, especially before the F-16 and MiG-29 were added but even afterwards to a degree. Also the Netz for Israel was pretty busted even without Fox-1s after the La Royale update when it got Python 3s, I remember absolutely loving that aircraft, with multipathing at 100m you could pretty well avoid radar missiles so the R-27ER was never that much of an issue. So again as far as Russian bias air battles kind of debunk the idea.
I doubt the Thales option will use anything but Starsteak and LMM (They’re both made by Thales after all, Although Thales did assist with CAMM so who knows)
CAMM would probably be a bit long for a mobile shorad solution, although the RWiP does have rails for conventionally A2A missiles, so we could see ASRAAM on that maybe, still pretty long at 2.9m though (CAMM is 3.2m iirc), for comparison Stinger is 1.5m, Starstreak is 1.4, & ADATS is 2.05m. Although the Pantsir missile is 3.16m so it’s not impossible.
Lets also not forget the fact that one of the major reasons we got a new internal module damage system is because people were sick and tired of yeeting long darts into the 2S38, Pantsir, and Ka-50s and seeing their round do quite literally nothing. With the 2S38 being named as the first vehicle to get. Sure, it was needed for more but it was a response directly to players wanting to see the 2S38 go up in BR and Gaijin not wanting to.
Yes. The Irbis-E should give as good if not better performance than the V004, on a nimbler and more capable airframe with HMD? Yeah, that’s gonna be a ball-buster.
R-77-1 would give parity up to current AIM-120’s and just under the C-5. In theory the R-77 has as more range as the C5, but we know thanks to the grid fins and aerodynamic factors such as drag, that the ability to hit at that range is quite unrealistic. R-77-1 would help cover the gap a bit, but the C5 will still perform better in BVR, and I’d imagine that honestly, even the A’s and B’s would challenge a 77-1 user in BVR.
Would R-77-1 break anything on an Su-27SM? No, not really. On an Su-34, only a little, the thing is still a brick that drinks fuel quicker than I down eggnog during the holidays.
R-37M would be game breaking in so far as the range and speed and homing would certainly tamper the SPAMRAAM meta.
R-74M or M2 would probably break the game. R-73M would not however, and it really should perform the way the current R-73 was meant to perform. I do NOT see why USSR/Ru shouldn’t be getting the R-73M at this point, and I do not believe parity is needed by other nations to do this. Further, I’m not sure if the R-74 or 74M or 74M2 are actually used outside of the Su-57, even though I’m sure the capability to do so is probably technically possible. Gaijin does like to limit options for loadouts to what is at least semi-historical, and I think stretching to put any 74 missile on any RU plane right now is just too far.