Next Major Update - Rumor Round-Up & Discussion (Part 1)

you’re missing the forest for the trees here.

The issue isn’t the US gets a lot of “X” because it made a lot of “X”

it’s that other nations that also made a lot of “X” don’t get a lot of “X”

France for example has a SLEW of light tanks, IFVs that they’ve manufactured since the cold war. Yet somehow their first 2 and only in game IFVs were in the form of a premium, and a squadron tank that’s not even french.

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Yeah, the situation of the British Navy is… odd.

Gaijin is literally going to give Russia a Revenge-Class before giving U.K a Queen Elizabeth lmao (no, event vehicles don’t count).

Also, Barham has an EXTREMELY GIMPED survivability because her draft is comically shallow…

Germany got THREE (3) Bayern-Class ships before U.K got a single ship of the class Bayern was meant to be a counterpart of on the researchable tree…

And, as you said, the fact that the Russian tree is one of the best ingame even though it was the weakest in real life is comical, hahah.

But ever since I started joining matches on the CIS region servers, and I’ve noticed that I see more Izmails, Kommunas, Mariyas, Poltavas and Kronshtadts than all other ship classes from all other nations combined over there… I can imagine that’s why Gaijin is so… proactive with the Russian bluewater tree.

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And your point is?

That is why Chinese TT does not have a consultant at all, even for Taiwan. Plus the classified docs are for the early prototypes not suitable for combat. J-8F is a similar case which possibly also resulted in the K2K losing its sparrows.

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Which is the real issue. Gaijin prioritises the trees that are popular, often to the detriment of the other trees. Which does make a certain degree of sense and wouldnt necessarily be an issue if the additions the minor nations got were really good and polished. But alas, they are rarely either.

Problem is that they go too far and often push players away from the minor nations more often than not

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This is in regards to Top Tier air, since everyone rages at U.S “because they get so many jets while no one else gets as many”.

Which fighter jets, leaving aside Eurofighter, could, for example, U.K get? Or Germany? Etc.

They are getting Eurofighter now that the time is ripe; but what could they possibly have been getting this whole time people were raging at U.S for getting multiple F-14/15/16s while U.K and Germany weren’t getting more than they did?

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Even for the soviets the archangelsk is hardly something better. Novossyrisk features Italian 320mm with good pen and ballistics, kronstadt is weak on guns but balances its mobility and armor well. It is about the action itself rather than the ships capabilities. Royal soverign or any R class wouldve been helpful but they are nowhere to be seen.

Its more quantity than quality, though do you remember how broken Kronstadat was for years?

UK just got its third Rnak VI ship, Soviets are probably going to get their 5th this update. Kinda insane to me that the UK doesnt have at least as many if not more (though really no excuse for them to not be near equal in count)

This also ends up feeding into the BR issues.

Lack of any additions push people always from those nations leaving only the most dedicated and in turn skilled people playing.

This leaves vehicle equal/counterparts of eachother nearly a full BR apart or more. So even at the smallest case the “major nation” vehicle would be at 3.7 well the “minor nation” would be 4.7.

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Yep it really does

I have been summoned

I shall now go back to sleep without further comment

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I command you to comment your favorite WW2 plane.

Eh even if a nation doesnt get vehicles ill play it because i enjoy the linup or the style of tanks. 7.7 Japan is great, sure im not earning any effective research for the TKX 12.0 meh, or 7.7 or 6.7 france, they are fun vehicles and ill play them, only time i swap nations is if they have something that i think would be fun to play. Luchs for example is a cool vehicle but is very large and has a awful gun. So no real reason for me to soade it until i feel the need to continue my goal to spade every vehicle in warthunder. If gaijin wants me to play Isreal or China i need something unique that is fun.

This is a timeline where jutlant was fought between the red navy and hoschesfleet. Someone commented that even in kaiserreich universe(you know where the entente lose and the HMS gets split up between RCN and socialist UK) the Brits can get better things on the table.
Now the game heads from interwar to WW2 proper, and Britain is going to lose the title of the best fleet in the world forever. In the game there was not a patch that ever represents the royal navy and in the future will realistically never at all. That is it.

You have the most blue water ships in game. You are just picking rank 6 to fabricate a point.

Do i agree minor nations should get more vehicles yes. But as you said before Gaijin is a business and looks to make money. Look how many of the vehicles people are complaining about the US receiving are not TT.

Fewest ships huh?

China, Isreal, and Sweden…

This is a joke, pls no witch hunt

Gib changbai i mean changzheng gaijin
Realistically Sweden could be a thing, not great but has some flavors.

By standards of how many ships they had IRL yes.

Spoiler

Example 1: Hungarian Sub-tree
A lot of aircraft were added to Italy. JAS-39, MiG-29, MiG-23, MiG-21 and etc. Is the MiG-29 unique? No, it is an exact copy of others, with no changes. Is it useful for Italy? No, because Italy already has other good jets at the same BR. For this reason, I didnt consider it being useful or unique and didnt include it in the final column. However, the JAS-39 is very useful for Italy because, without it Italy would currently lack a top tier jet, despite it being an exact copy of other JAS-39Cs

Example 2: BeNeLux Sub-tree
The F-16AM is a top-tier aircraft. It is not unique but still adds variety to the French top tier lineup. Without it France would have only one aircraft at 13.7. The F-16A is a copy of others, but with one key difference, it has AIM-9Ms and offers distinct gameplay and a different BR compared to other F-16As

In your case
I can explain why I considered all the new British aircraft unique or useful

  • Tornado GR.4: A new version of the Tornado, featuring more advanced weaponry and slightly different gameplay compared to other Tornados in the game. It is both unique and useful
  • F-111C: A copy of the F-111F, but slightly worse. However, it was highly requested by players. It is somewhat unique and has a high BR
  • Tornado F.3 Late: Features Fox 3 missiles, offering different gameplay compared to the Tornado F.3 (not a 100% C&P)
  • Sea Harrier FA.2: Similar situation to the Tornado F.3 Late. It has different weapons, gameplay and BR
  • The same applies to the Buccaneer S.2B and Jaguar IS

All this equipment has some uniqueness or usefulness, unlike the examples mentioned earlier (e.g., MiG-29 HU, MiG-21MF HU, F-104G, Tornado IDS, premium Su-22M4 and so on)
I dont mean that other vehicles should have been added or anything like that. I just counted how much good vehicles were added this year to show the difference between the USA and other nations
My english is a capital of London dont judge me pls, I might not be able to explain idea properly

Sweden would need to get Russia treatment and get a lot of ships that just never arrived to fill out blue water, now coastal is a different story, just add Fin/Nor/DK and we are set.

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