I honestly get it. I’d be happy if they gave us the Su-30SM, no R-77-1’s (for now) in exchange for a real fix to all Flanker FM’s, and a fix to the gyro’s on the R-73’s. I don’t even have to try to fiddle with different flight controls to pull some real cowboy sh*t and these R-73’s are 50/50 on if they’re cut out for that lifestyle.
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I do think the R-77-1 at the very least should be added since the 77 is basically useless past 25km
it’s pretty similar for most other nations
our equivalents always get delayed until the US has something better amd then we’re given the but we have more planes excuse
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I’ve literally never hit an AMRAAM past ~19km with my F4F on the live server
I don’t know how R-77 are tho
I would probably expect the AIM-120C-5 to make an appearance if the R-77-1 was added.
I would like to note that we can probably expect minor range improvements from the 120C-5 (~10-20% better range) and slightly worse fin AoA due to the clipped fins having less control surface area.
We also have yet to see if Gaijin will adjust the flight characteristics of the R-77 since it is supposed to perform better when supersonic but have a ton of drag when subsonic.
Early R-77 even irl afaik were VERY draggy much like in WT so they dont go very far
Do you fire AMRAAMs on deck or up high?
I just checked in test flight, I didn’t even know I had multiple ACM modes, jeebus man.
Yeah, but I’d sacrifice that for a real N011M that isn’t gimped the way the N001VEP is on the SM (outputs and processing should be way better as the radar has much more power to pull from in the SM), and HMD with a real fix to the R-73’s.
Maybe I’m getting better with R-77’s, but I’m finally nabbing SPAMRAAMer’s from 20-25km away while still at sea-level. The Su-34 just makes the lock so viciously quick, I feel like the R-77-1 would just make it too easy, plus it opens the door to the C5’s, which like the 9M came after backlash for the R-73, will just make the whole addition pointless.
that phantom isn’t agile enough to notch so I tend to go low
I’ve tried both tho
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Im not too sure about that, itd make the addition of the 77-1 redundant, the 77-1 in WT would likely be very similar to AMRAAM
Well im working on the ICE now so ill be able to get back to you but im not too sure
All of my AMRAAM platforms can comfortably launch at 30km easily and 45km if im cocky enough with good parameters
Not really. Again the AMRAAM sacrifices a lot for the sake of range. The R-77 is the opposite of that, sacrificing range for maneuverability.
The R-77-1 should have similar range to the AIM-120A/B (at least from what we’ve seen in game) but still have that good maneuverability.
That’s my fear exactly. I’m speaking from ignorance here, but iirc, the A’s and B’s and even the first C’s weren’t supposed to be that great. I thought everyone was expecting C5’s to come with the first gen R-77’s as they were roughly equivalent. All this time I basically figured 77-1 was perhaps even a hair better than everything but the C5, and only marginally.
The experience in game has been really shocking for me, and I really miss the golden days of BVR’ing dudes from 60-80km with my R-27ER’s. I’m tired of this rat-tier gameplay.
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But it will be low rank premium fishing control boat
Which imo is still fine, the AMRAAM and R-77 dont have toooooo too much of different manuverability but ofc the 77 is better
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North Korean fishing boat with hidden torpedoes and 20mm HS, and you can’t identify it or shoot it until it fires first.
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Me and my friends have resorted to willingly taking more ERs then 77s
no no no you misheard or misremembered there
the C5 AMRAAM is equivalent to some domestic Chinese missile that could’ve come too that’s why we expected them
but that would’ve always come together with R-77-1
I kinda miss it as someone who played the F-15A back then too. My only complaint was that the US lacked the AIM-7MH and AIM-7P. I know for sure the AIM-7P had DL, which would have allowed it to do R-27ER things.
Of course the AIM-7MH/P were kinematically the same as the AIM-7F/M (although they did have lofting, which might have helped a bit), but if they had DL they would have been fine against R-27ERs. The ability to reacquire locks was what made the R-27ER so potent imo.
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Ill add I think 120A/B but better launching platform evens out for worse platforms but slightly better missles
the option to mix them is probably the only thing rhat makes modern russian jets interesting for me
I’m technically just one Su-24 away from the Big duck plane so maybe I’ll grind it eventually
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