Seriously, it makes me laugh so much when they bring up the subject of the supposed reason for the development of the f15. I love how people can be so deluded to believe that the Americans, having images of the MiG 25 and as they always say, “being at the forefront in technology and development”, could not “realize” that the MiG 25 was a spinning brick and so on.
Of course, yes the Americans were terrified, of a super fighter that they invented themselves, SUPPOSEDLY it was going to be super maneuverable and everything else, which the Soviets never said, the whole story comes from the West. I think it is clear, these types of stories are and will be to belittle the technology of the “enemy”, in those times the USSR and now China, the propaganda will never stop.
It cause it looked very similar to there f15 protypes which worried them into thinking it was super agile as it was similar but it wasn’t at all
Yes, that’s the story they tell you in the west, and everyone believes it. The Soviets never designed the mig25 for that, it was an interceptor and it was quite decent fulfilling that role for its time, what happens is that the Americans make up stories to belittle what the other does, I guess it’s fair they were in the cold war, propaganda was daily bread.
But you know what happens with these “stories” that devalue the airplane so much, that today if you ask someone about the mig25, they will tell you: oh yeah that’s crappy fighter, f15 way better than that brick.
When in reality it makes no sense to compare airplanes that were intended for different purposes. Compare the f16 with the mig29, the f15 with the su27, the f18 with the su33, and so on, but anyways, the propaganda has tarnished the mig25 so much that it left it buried in history.
What spun them up was that the capabilities being reported sounded a lot like what the F-15 ended up being, which itself was a pioneering design for the US.
What’s funny is that they missed the Su-27, giving more attention to the MiG-29 which preceeded it to production. Su-27 is much closer to the plane the west feared the MiG-25 was. The plane that was actually designed as hybrid of a response to the F-14/F-15 primarily, and meant to defeat both.
What makes me sad is everyone talks about speed and such, and yet no one mentions P-42, THE record holder for multiple categories the Streak Eagle held, most of which are STILL active.
Even at it’s weight, it’s still incredibly agile, and is possibly the apex of Soviet design in many ways. Instead we get the USSR version of VARK VARK VARK in this community, which is all this love for the Foxbat (which is cool, and I like too).
Imo it’s more about Su-24
They assumed it was made out titanium, in reality it was made out of steel. No way of knowing that from the brief glimpses they got of it. Most of the time, they only “saw” it on radar, and never close enough for any of detail visual analysis. It wasnt until a Mig-25 pilot defected with the aircraft that they knew the truth. That it was built for one thing and one thing only. Flying super fast in straight lines.
In terms of equivalent model, I agree, Su-24 100%. In terms of suggestions and how many dang times it comes up, MiG-25 is the most anticipated USSR aircraft left to come for almost the entire WT community. Even people who don’t play USSR have said they’ll GE their way to it because it’s so iconic.
It’s tragic because the thing really doesn’t have a place in the game, and won’t fit for a while.
Imagine if that pilot did not defect. Then we would have seen some interesting jets made by the US to counter it. Maybe something like a mach 3 capable F15
I think the Su-24 is so requested because the one area that the Soviets are weak is in Jet based CAS. They hope the Su-24 will fullfill that role.
I’d not be surprised if the Mig-25 comes as a Premium, Event or SQV. We got the Sea Harrier FRS1 as an SQV despite it being one of the most iconic/important aircraft in Britains recent history. So it wouldnt surprise me to see something like the Mig-25 come as an SQV. It could be a tricky airframe to place on the TT (thinking Mach 3 Sea-Vixen)
Yeah, it is certainly possible or at least heavy advances in air to air missiles. Like Ramjet version of the Aim-120
Maybe, though for me MiG-31 is more iconic as well as Su-27.
First, americans spied on the Soviets a lot back then, don’t you think they had images of the MiG 25, assuming they had images and info about the plane, what about the aerodynamics? I’m not an aeronautical engineer, but I suppose you can roughly deduce the flight capabilities of an airplane by its fuselage, the shape of its wings, etc. And second, the f15 was already in development before anyone knew about that miraculous Soviet fighter.
You can deduce all those things, but again, they assumed it was made out of light wieght materials like Titanium to withstand the heating from Mach 3 flight. So would have been a fraction of the weight. Instead it was made out steel. The last thing they’d expect it to be made out of. Thus wieghing several times what they thought it did.
Yes, Aircraft like the F-15 were already in development, but in response to the Mig-25, they massively increased the requirements for the airframe to counter the Mig-25. The F-15 that they produced was likely very very different from the F-15 they had originally planned
You’re right, his actual statement was only abt SEPv3 and Challenger 3 being impractical to attempt adding: ( Major Update: "Wind of Change" - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion - Page 114 - General Discussion - War Thunder - Official Forum )
Once we hit the SEP end of the spectrum, US tanks are effectively done. Sep V3 and 4 are on the complete upper end closer to Challenger 3 levels of nigh impracticality at the current stage. Japan has only just received the Type 10 for example after a considerably long wait after the Type 90(B). We explained in detail why this was, being a mixture of lack of the detailed information we needed to model it and also with the fact the Type 90s themselves were not doing overall poorly and not at the bottom of their performance bracket. As well as the fact the Type 10 would effectively be the end of the road for Japanese MBTs.
Indeed, the US does have more to chose from in this department. But it is again reaching the upper echelons of what’s possible with the M1A2 itself having a very strong surrounding line-up, which is also and important consideration to factor in, rather than just going X nation has X MBT but Y has this MBT and this MBT.
More US vehicles are coming, as we have explained in the past, they always have and always will have more to add than most other nations. But with that comes proper content deployment.
The team at devtrackers.gg worked hard to make their tool continue to operate on the old forum, they’re well worth appreciating by this thread. I certainly do.
And I should probably get into the habit of screenshotting/blockquoting relevant stuff from there, while it 's still there.
I mean based on what you tell me, if the Soviets had made the Mig 25 in titanium instead of steel, would it have been amazing, right? the fuselage, the diameter of the wings, etc, we should forget, it doesn’t enter the equation…
All sides did. It was Soviet spies and ICBMs that got the Avro Arrow cancelled.
The Cold War was a war of spies.
Among other things. They also assumed it had advanced engines, but in reality they were crudely made and barely able to sustain high speeds for that long before incurring damage. They assumed it had an advanced radar, but had no look down capabilities and overall limited performance.
It was made to do one thing and one thing only. Intercept ultra high altitude, high speed bombers like the B-70 Valkyrie and was also modified as a high speed, high alt recon aircraft.
But it was never designed for an air superiority fighter role, but based upon how many the soviets built (which was a LOT) they assumed it must be more than an air defence/interceptor. because otherwise, why did they need so many?
damn i just read about this, 70 seconds to get to 15km
“On March 10, 1987, and on March 23, 1988, test pilot Nikolai Sadovnikov flew the Sukhoi P-42 to 25,528 ft (9,000 m) in 44 seconds, 39,370 ft (12,000 m) in 55.2 seconds and 49,213 ft (15,000 m) in 70.329 seconds.”
They are not designed for the same thing but the Americans assumed it was due to the visual similarities
Yeah, I’ve never heard of it being meant as a counter to the F-15. only that (probably by sheer coincidence) it looks an aweful lot like an F-15, or at least the early concepts of the aircraft. In reality it was meant as a Counter to the B-70 Valkyrie which never entered service, instead replaced by aircraft like the B-1 Lancer, Tornado, F-111. etc, that use ultra low level to fly under the radar and evade air defences.