Ah fair my bad then 😁
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Early AMRAAM versions wouldn’t be anything more than half-rage AIM-54C with better pull. It has pitbull range of 15km so you have to guide it by TWS or it will go for the 1st thing it sees. What’s important to note is that we’re getting advanced RWR this update so you will know when radar missile is launched and even when FOX-3 goes pitbull.
Only on the planes that have RWR advanced enough to detect the seeker signature of the AMRAAM or R-77 though, right? Or is that going to be a SB only thing? And will chaff do anything now? Or is terrain your only hope within 15km?
Roughly 50-65km right?
Understood. I am not discouraging enjoying the rest of the game. But your statements previously were off, and I want to know how you come to such conclusions only playing one nation and very little at the Tier.
With that said. No one plays the R27T because it lacks the almost hypersonic speed and range of the ER. The missile is almost hypersonic at low altitude. R27ET offers a unique lethality over any IR missile in game and over the R73 at dogfight ranges. It is the only IR missile in game that will immediately cover 5km in a chase leaving very little time or opportunity for an opponent to defend if they are not anticipating the launch. The R27ET is an amazing addition to complement the slower R73.
I do not think you fully understand or appreciate the positives of having the best IR missiles in game. Yes, radar missiles ar more reliable in an environment saturated with CM. However a pure IR loadout has its benefits at not being affected by the many more environmental disruptions radar missiles have (except clouds & sun). You can fire IR missiles under far more varying conditions over radar missiles.
The biggest drawback to SARHs is that the weapon system requires radar support all the way to target. Meaning that you have to baby sit the missile the whole way. Regardless of how good someone with SARHs and multitasking such as managing radar conditions & calculating launch distance and closure rates etc. the weapon system takes away from situational awareness and degrades your survivability.
Additionally, the longer a launched SARH is in the air, the more invested that pilot becomes in guiding that missile often times disregarding developing threats around. It’s a natural occurrence.
As for a pure IR combat load, you maintain full situational awareness at all times besides understanding your missiles acceleration, range and burn time there is nothing else but fire and forget. You have full ability to move on to the next threat or defend. An IR reliant platform is always one step ahead of a SARH reliant platform.
For example, the F16 Netz is hyper dominant over SARH reliant F16s. My own stats reflect it as well. The survivability is far greater than any F16s reliant on SARHs as it does not have to bother with the radar and can sling python 3s and continue on or redirect. My KD is ridiculous just playing it casually and most kills were before the Python.
The Mig29 will have the R73 and R27ET, IRST & HMD. Again, this capability may not be in your play book or knew it existed.
But it’s another play the Mig29SMT has on top of already being the best in radar missile capability. The SMT is now also the best at IR capability as well.
So not even the Aim9M is appropriate for the F16C only?
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Chaffing will work while notching. That’s the most effective way of defeating these missiles (apart from sticking to the ground and turning cold). Every current 12.0 jet has RWR advanced enough to distinguish between jet’s radar and missile’s radar lock as well as detect radar-missile launch.
I recommend checking this forum thread about new RWR: https://forum.warthunder.com/t/what-we-know-about-the-new-rwr-system/22423
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Yep exactly. Up to 65km
And with a 15km no escape irl it will probably end up being lower in WT 10-12km maybe
F-16C only? No way. But if AIM-9M goes down, so should R-73. Realistically, the only two planes that can carry it, besides CAS which is irrelevant here, is the 9.13 and the MLD (can vs. should not arguing here).
I appreciate the argumentation for pure IR loadouts. I’m even going to try them as soon as I unlock the 27T to see what you guys are saying. But it’s still doesn’t change the fact that most players don’t play with a pure IR loadout if they have access to SARH, and adding ARH to all these airframes to help them close the gap on the aggressive speeds of the 27 series just seems like overkill.
Respectfully, where does AIM-9M stop for you? A-10A Late getting 4 9L’s at 10.0 is already pretty powerful, should it be getting 9M’s instead?
Also I agree with the committed SARH BVR gameplay leading to threat accumulation, salient point there.
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Words of the Dev ladies and gents
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R-27T is just not worth it on the MiG-29s. Especially with the R-27ERs it has access to, in a meta where a lot of players are shooting flares to dodge other missiles, unless you get a real sneaky shot you’re not gonna hit vs the R-27ERs almost guaranteed kill. Tbh it feels like a downgrade from 24T
Also the 9.12s can carry R-73s and honestly I would trad R-27ER for R-73 (which on the German 29 is historically accurate afaik) R-27R is still pretty good but R-73 over 60M would be a game changer.
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Yikes. Well, on the bright side we can now start asking for these missiles to be competitive. jk…unless
Which topic was that again?
nvm found it
So Aim-9X next update then, sounds good to me
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Kinda cringe though that they are reluctant to add the Aim-9m when by their own words it would have worse flare rejection than the R-73.
Unfortunately they didnt state ASRAAM so UK stuck with 9L when everyone else gets 9X and IRIS-T
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Of course, those are the rules. Im surprised we even have 9Ls at this point and aren’t still trying to get 9Gs
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Well if theyre testing the 9M curreny theres still a week before the patch so we may still have a chance at 9M
ive gotta ask, whats up with the SMT’s fm? i pulled up wt rti, loaded my 9-13 to be heavier than the smt (drop tank and 2 r60’s compared to a clean SMT), and it still has a higher turn rate, despite mass and fuel really being the only thing that was changed in the flight model files.
Might just be current FM but the SMT is also significantly heavier in comparison