With the addition of the AIM-120C-5 on a select few aircraft, top tier air is set to be in powercreep purgatory and compression hell even more than it already is. And it’s clear Gaijin really wants to keep pushing more and more capable missiles.
So I’m thinking it might be time to finally add the next generation of IR missiles (a couple of which are now in the game on SPAA) on top aircraft, accompanied by an increase in top BR to 16.0.
This would accomplish 3 goals:
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Decompression. The game has been in a really bad state for a while now, particularly with recompression of Ranks VII/VIII. While incremental decompression steps are likely to happen they always end up being too little too late. A new weapon class and clean 2.0 uptick (similar to what just happened in naval…) would provide a “clean slate” that allows for other BRs to be decompressed.
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Historical accuracy. While this is an extremely low priority of Gaijin it’s quite important to a substantial part of the player base. And a lot of aircraft right now are missing their main weapons. The Typhoons in particular- Gaijin decided to explicitly add the Block 10 Typhoons whose most basic air-to-air load was IRIS-T/ASRAAM + AIM-120C-5 instead of the Block 2s which actually used the AIM-9 and AIM-120B.
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Balancing. Gaijin has only given a few aircraft new missiles. As more are added (and it seems this is the plan, unfortunately) there will be leapfrog powercreep with each nation taking turns having the best new thing for an update before being left behind. I believe it is better to add all the upgraded armaments at once, with a jump in BR, and then let the BR system figure out the balancing.
So, this update or next, I believe that every nation should receive equivalents to the AIM-120C and IRIS-T on their applicable top aircraft alongside an appropriate BR increase. What do you think?
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Testing IRIS-T (And therefore IIR) via a SAM before adding them to aircraft is the smart way to do things, but yeah, defiently its time for them to be added to aircraft, most nations using the nerfed Aim-9M is jsut getting boring
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Not just yet. Soon, but not yet. We need better ways to counter missiles, such as actual jamming devices and proper models for heat index’s. Missiles like these would be downright unbearable and undefeatable.
I could maybeee say yes to something like the Python 4 soft nerfed to one IRCCM type and not dual band with its G-pull limited to 50Gs not 70Gs, similar to what they’ve done with the AAM-3 for Japan. But these missiles such as the Aim-9X, IRIS-T, AAM-5, R-74, MICA-IR, and friends, are not something the game is ready for should they arrive with their full potential. Just putting them on these SAM systems alone is a bit of an issue for me, but then again CAS has been so overbearing it kind of needed it.
Before that, we could get this variant of Aim-9M fixes/corrections, later Aim-9M blocks added (not the imaging seeker one), AAM-3 guidance fixes, and a few other things, but we just aren’t quite ready for it at this moment in time. We will be, and maybe they could add them with soft nerfs and similar characteristics for all the missile in the same way they added ARH missiles, but I don’t see that happening just quite yet.
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I disagree, the intention behind specific air frames getting 120C was to make air frames that were under preforming for their BR more competitive, if anything this will help to slightly offset the power creep introduced with EFT and ravioli
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That might be true if it was F-18C only, but with F-15E/I getting Aim-120C5s, the Typhoon should now also get Aim-120C5s and the MICA EM should get better range performance
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typhoon absolutely should not get 120C
it is the second best airframe in the game by all metrics and the second or third best plane for the air rb meta, it does not need to be buffed and is reasonable for gaijin to buff planes that are worse that sit at the same br to try balance the game.
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Haha, no. F-15E doesnt need to dominate every match again.
Typhoon is already underperforming enough as it is without also ahving weaker AAMs than its direct equivalent aircraft
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this wont make the f15e dominate, I dont know where you are getting that.
120C is still just as easy to notch as 120A and still worse than other missiles at close range which is a much bigger problem on f15e due to its poor turning circle. Given that all matches develop into close range the f15e will still be at a disadvantage to many other platforms.
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F-15E is already stronger than the Typhoon in BVR as it has more missiles and a better radar with equal FM in terms of max speed and climb rate. F-15E with Aim-120C5s would gain a MASSIVE advantage over the Typhoon once again.
Given just how poorly modeled the Typhoon is and how they refuse to fix the radar, FM, CMs, etc etc. Then it should have equal AAMs to the F-15 and Su-30
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f15e is not really better than EFT in BVR though due to its poor turning performance not allowing you to get nose on to launch a missile quickly after defeating an incoming missile. This allows any reasonable competent pilot in EFT to safely pressure the f15e until they make a mistake and die.
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I don’t believe we will get next gen ir missiles right now, but with how fast we got new long range missiles it will probably be in december ?
It seems fitting for me with this test with spaa for those new missiles too.
This is kinda exactly what I wanted to avoid, Gaijin bouncing around giving each nation new missiles piecemeal and resulting in each update a new nation bodying all others, instead of all at once
First of all they shouldnt leave 120c to some planes that will have to fight against them
I’m just here to make a humble request
gib 9X to the AH-1Z
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‘All at once’ doesn’t have to be this update
I just hope the 9X also ends up on the AH-1Z , just like they did with the 9L back in the day.
It would give a decent performance kick to an otherwise okay-ish helicopter.
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Reading this thread, I understand that the “new missiles” will also be included for aircraft, so could someone tell me what missiles will be available for Israeli aircrafts? please.
well
not yet
but in some futher updates i think that could be done
Also would be good to start from worsest examples, such as R-74(worsest IRCCM, not even matrix), AIM-9X(Worsest range), maybe smth else too
All versions of the typhoons use AIM-120C-5 and AIM-120B as their main ordinance at one point then switch to the Meteor Missile in later times so yes AIM-120C-5 should go to the Eurofighter typhoon
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