A dramatic increase immediately wouldn’t work. It needs to be incremental.
Also,
For the Su-39, id much rather see it at 12.7 according to your list, but with R-77s or R-27s being added. As that is historically accurate
A dramatic increase immediately wouldn’t work. It needs to be incremental.
Also,
For the Su-39, id much rather see it at 12.7 according to your list, but with R-77s or R-27s being added. As that is historically accurate
MIRAGE 3C TO 10.3 LMFAO WHAT

Su-39 with R77 would be at least 13.0/13.3 with this list
lol…
The F-15E going to 16.0 while F-14B only goes to 13.7 instead of 14.7 is wild.
Yak-141 not going to 15.3 with R-77s is also wild.
This list is pure nonsense and proof that mathematically 16.0 isn’t possible according to this very list.
I mean, F-5E going to 12.3 is proof enough.
As is Mig-29s being different BRs with the same loadouts.
The list is bad, all around. The feedback I would have to get multiple someones that knows balancing and analysis to bounce ideas back and forth with.
You can get to 15.0, but this list is not how you do that.
Your opinions are invalid to me. You’re very biased in favor of British dominance.
Especially since you seemingly don’t understand, you’d have to sacrifice other weapon systems to carry the other ones.
Would you rather have 12 Vikhirs or x2 R-27?
Would you rather have R-73s or R-77s?
Would you rather have ECM jammers and extra flare pods or R-60s?
That’s why only a slight increase is necessary if it gets those weapons.
Pair it with the fact you have to carry the radar with those other weapons, and if your fully loaded, your rather heavy.
Then FA2 to 12.7 and harrier Gr7 to 12.0
Mirage F1 to 12.7 what the f-
F8E FN without countermeasures to basically 11.0 diabolical
Super Etendard to 11.0 lmfao just…
i give up this list broke me
Why do I feel like this list is based on how much you’ve died to a certain plane?
probably
I was only doing aircraft in ranks 7 and 8, i didnt touch any of the lower ones
yes its not perfect, i did it rather quickly which is why i was asking for feedback
i thought i did although i couldve missed some
i was putting anything with medium range ARH missiles at at least 14.0
it would get 4 max, and the r77 isnt great
the german and russian first mig29s are the same br
the German MiG29G with R27ER would be higher
yes
as i dont have access to stats to balance like gaijin does, i used my own personal experience flying most of these aircraft
16.0 is very possible if you decompress 8.3+, and not 10.0+. 15.0 is very easy to achieve by just decompressing the 12.3+ BR range, and it’s quite easy to find another 1.0 BRs of decompression elsewhere.
I don’t disagree.
just study and make paper on 0.7 matchmaking bracket. this BR changes are too hard to be done because realistically most problem are related to how strong vehicle at 1.0 BR diff are.
lol you avoided my question as if it was a cop
An Su-39 would be 13.0 with R-77s in WT right now, why would it be lower on that list?
FA2 even with AMRAAM is barely stronger than the F-14A at the moment, and at most, equal to the F-14B without Aim-9M. Certainly shouldnt be considered equal to the F3 late or superior to the F-14B with Aim-9M. Its loadout is mass of compromises. Its strongest loadout leaves it with no gun or IR missile
Maybe in the future if they ever fix the FA2, it could be higher, but still would be weaker than the F3 Late, especially if it ever gets fixed/finished too (and they both have the same major issue, BOL)
Give it a MAW and it can be 13.0
It’s unreasonable for a modern ARH carrier to be below 13.0.
If I didn’t know any better I’d say you and Morvran are the same person unless he likes stalking your replies.
But I guess the sea harrier FA2 better go up in br then? It’s aams aim-120bs are far more effective than a R-77
It’s also faster, has more cms, and a very good acceleration/ turn time.
(According to the OP’s original idea)
Being a slower platform, the Su39s missing aams would be as powerful, in fact they’d be slightly better than R-73s pretty much.
The 12.7 title would fit then.
Absolutely 0 reason it should be any higher
Whatboutism of the Sea Harrier fails you.
The AIM-120s are equals, and they have similar acceleration.
Either way the Su-39 doesn’t need moved up to 13.0 with R-77s.
Uh no they aren’t… I’ve flown aircraft sporting both. The aim-120 is far better
Why do I feel like this list is based on how much you’ve died to a certain plane?
And that’s got to be F-4J(UK) at 13,3 !
Well it needs refining… certainly better tha GJ MM right now.
You can add new weapons if anything. Very easily.
I really want to just tell ppl who makes “BR changes” as suggestion to just refer and study a lot about “O.7 Matchmaking range limit” because it just solves every problem war thunder has when it comes to balancing vehicle relative to their BR
That would solve the problem like… tomorrow without many, or even any changes.
But people prefer decompression .
If you asked me , i’d first do 0,7 BR range … and if with some tweaks where it’s needed doesn’t work, then i’d decompress.