New proposed br changes for rank 7/8

Phazer · April 24, 2025, 2:42pm

Im looking for feedback on my proposed changes.
I tried my best to balance the BR’s but if you have any suggestions let me know
The main idea behind this was…
-increase the top br and move everything up to allow for more changes down the road for lower tiered aircraft
-spread out top tier so that aircraft like the Tornado F.3 Late or F4F ICE arent fighting Eurofighters where they have little to no chance
-change loadouts for some aircraft that it makes sense for
I put the country
then the name of the aircraft, followed by the current Br in game, the proposed one, then any changes

i also made it so top tier with modern Medium Range Active Radar Homing missiles, like AIM-120 are only found at br 14.0-16.0

USA
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	F-5E	11	12.3
	F-4C	10	10.3
	F-4E	11.3	12
	F-8E	10.7	11.7
	F-4J	12	12.7
	A-10A	10.7	11.7
	A-7D	10.3	11
	A-7E	10.7	11
	A-10C	11.7	12.7
	F-105D	10	10
	F-111A	10.7	11
	F-111F	11.7	13
	F-C	10.7	11.3
	A-6E TRAM	10.7	11.7
	F-4S Phantom II	12	12.7
	F-5A	10.7	11.3
	A-7K	11.3	11.7
	AV-8B (NA)	11.3	12
	F-16A	12.3	13
	F-16A ADF	12.7	13.3
	F-16C	13.7	15.3
	F-15A	13	13.7
	F-15C MSIP II	13.7	15.7
	F/A-18A	12.3	13
	F-14A Early	12.7	13.3
	F-14B	13	13.7	Gets AIM-9M
	F/A-18C Late	14	15.3
	AV-8B Plus	13	14
	F-15E	14	16
	F-20A	12.3	13
	F/A-18C Early	12.7	13.3
	F-14A IRIAF	13	13.7
Germany
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	F-104G	11	11.3
	F-4F	11	11.7
	MiG-21MF	10.3	11
	MiG-21bis-SAU	11	12
	MiG-23MLA	11.7	12.7
	Su-22UM3K	11	12.3
	Su-22M4	11	12.3
	MiG-21 Lazur-M	11	12
	Tornado IDS WTD61	11.3	12.3
	Su-22M4 WTD61	11	12.3
	F-4F Early	10.7	10.7
	MiG-23MF	11	11.7
	F-4F KWS LV	13	14
	EF-2000	14	16
	MiG-29	12.7	13.3	Gets R73 Looses R27ER
	MiG-29G	13	13.7
	Tornado IDS ASSTA1	11.7	13
	Tornado IDS MFG	11.3	12.3
USSR
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	MiG-21SMT	10.3	11
	MiG-21Bis	11	12
	MiG-23M	11	11.7
	MiG-23MLD	11.7	12.7
	Su-17M2	10	10.3
	Su-17M4	11	12.3
	Su-25T	11.3	12.3
	MiG-27M	11	12
	MiG-27K	11	12
	Su-22M3	11	12
	MiG-23ML	11.7	12.7
	Su-25BM	11	12.3
	Su-39	11.3	12.3
	Yak-141	12.7	14	Gets R73 and R77
	MiG-29	12.7	13.3	Gets R73 looses R27ER
	MiG-29SMT	13.3	14.7
	Su-27	13	13.7
	Su-27SM	13.7	15
	Su-30SM	14	16
	Su25SM3	11.7	12.7
	Su-34	13.3	14.3
	Su-33	13	13.7
Great Britian
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	Phantom FGR.2	12	12.3
	Sea Harrier FRS.1(e)	10.7	11.3
	Phantom FG.1	12	12.3
	Jaguar GR.1A	10.7	11
	Buccaneer S.2B	10.7	11
	F-111C	11.7	13
	Sea Harrier FRS.1	11	11.7
	F-4J(UK)	12	13.3
	Jaguar IS	11.3	12/3
	Harrier T.10	11.3	12
	JAS39C	13.7	15.3
	Typhoon FGR.4	14	16
	Tornado F.3	12	12.3
	Tornado F.3 Late	13	14
	Sea Harrier FA 2	13	14
	Harrier GR.7	12.3	12.3
	Tornado GR. 1	11.7	12.3
	Tornado GR. 4	12.3	13.3
	MiG-21 Bison	12.3	13.3
Japan
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	F-4EJ	11	11.7
	A-7E	10.7	11
	AV-8S Late	11	11.7
	F-5A	10.7	11.3
	F-5T SCU	11.3	12.7
	F-5E FCU	11.3	12.7
	F-4EJ ADTW	11	11.7
	F-4EJ Kai	12.3	13
	F-15J	13	13.7
	F-15J(M)	13.7	15.7
	F-16AJ	12.7	13.3
	F-16A OCU	13.7	15
	JAS39C	13.7	15.3
China
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	F-104G	11	11.3
	F-5A	10.7	11.3
	F-5E	11	12.3
	J7E	11.3	12.7
	J-8B	11.3	12.7
	Q-5L	9.7	9.7
	A-5C	10.7	11.3
	J-7D	10.7	11.3
	F-16A MLU	12.7	13.3
	J-10A	13.7	15.7
	Mirage 2000-5Ei	13.7	15.3
	J-8F	13	14
	J-11	13	13.7
	J-11A	13.7	14.7
	J-11B	13.7	15.7
	JH-7A	12.3	12.3
	JF-17	13.3	14.3
Italy
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	F-104S	11	11.3
	F-104S.ASA	12	12.3
	AMX	10.7	11
	Tornado IDS	11.3	12.3
	Su-22M3	11	12
	MiG-21MF	10.3	11
	MiG-21bis-SAU	11	12
	MiG-23MF	11	11.7
	AMX A-1A	11	11.3
	F-104S TAF	11	11.3
	F-16A ADF	12.7	13.3
	F-2000A	14	16
	Tornado ADV	12	12.3
	Tornado IDS (1995)	11.7	12.3
	Tornado IDS MLU (RET.8)	11.7	12.3
	AV-8B Plus	13	14
	MiG-29	12.7	13.3	Gets R73 Looses R27ER
	JAS39EBS HU C	13.7	15.3
France
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	Mirage IIIC	10	10.3
	Mirage IIIE	10.7	11.7
	Mirage F1C	12	12.7
	F-8E(FN)	10	10.7
	Mirage 5F	10	10.3
	Mirage F1CT	12	12.7
	Super Etendard	10.3	11
	Jaguar A	10.7	11
	Mirage 5BA	10.3	11.3
	F-104G	11	11.3
	Mirage F1C-200	12	12.7
	Jaguar E	10.7	11
	Mirage 2000C-S5	12.7	13.3
	Mirage 2000-5F	13.7	15.3
	Rafale C F3	14	16
	Mirage 4000	13	13.7
	Mirage 2000D-R1	12.3	13
	Mirage 2000D-RMV	12.7	13.3
	F-16A	13	13.7
	F-16AM	13.7	15.3
	Mirage 2000C-S4	12.7	13.3
Sweden
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	J35D	10	10.3
	JA37C	11.3	12
	AJ37	10.3	11
	AJS37	11	11.7
	MiG-21bis	11	12
	Saab J35XS	10.3	11
	F-5A(G)	11	12.3
	JA37D	12	12.7
	JA37DI	13	14
	JAS39A	13	13.7
	JAS39C	13.7	15.3
	F-18C	14	15.3
	JA37DI F21	13	14
Israel
	Name	Current BR	New BR	Changes
	Shahak	10	10.3
	Kfir C.7	12	12.7
	Kurnass	11.3	12
	Nesher	10	10.3
	Kfir Canard	11	12.3
	Kfir C.2	11.7	12.3
	Netz	12.3	13
	F-16C Barak II	13.7	15.3
	Kurnass 2000	12.3	12.7
	Baz	13	13.7
	Baz Meshupar	13.7	15.7
	F-16D Barak II	13.3	15
	F-15I Ra’am	14	16
	Netz (Mod)	12.3	13.3
	Kfir C.10	13	14

BOMBAY9997042-live · April 24, 2025, 2:53pm

no. increasing everything’s Br won’t help anything only make it worse for a lot of players and also this is not the place to put this, they have threads already made for stuff like this

Ion_Protogen · April 24, 2025, 4:22pm

I think you decompressed 12.7-14.0 a bit too much, and you decompressed the 11.0 BR region way too much. Moving the top to 16.0 is the right step, but you forgot to decompress the 9.3 BR range which needs it the most.

There’s alot of weird BRs, like the F-5E and F-20 being 0.7 apart, yet the F-5C being an entire BR lower than the E, despite it being 0.7 worse at most.

The 21MF and bis shouldn’t be more than 0.7 apart.

Every single Tornados armed with 2 9Ls should be the same BR.

You ended up compressing the current 11.0-12.7 BR range more than it is, because now F-5Es, Su-22s, and others are more facing Mig-29s.

七-十三 · April 24, 2025, 4:36pm

I really want to just tell ppl who makes “BR changes” as suggestion to just refer and study a lot about “O.7 Matchmaking range limit” because it just solves every problem war thunder has when it comes to balancing vehicle relative to their BR

Morvran · April 24, 2025, 4:42pm

Why is the tornado ASSTA1 at 13.0?

Morvran · April 24, 2025, 4:46pm

And why is the FA2 a higher BR than the F14B?

It’s hard to argue for it to even be a different BR to the F14A at the moment, so should be 13.3 by this BR decompress.

AV-8B+ should be 13.7

UniqueScorpions · April 24, 2025, 4:50pm

A dramatic increase immediately wouldn’t work. It needs to be incremental.

Also,

For the Su-39, id much rather see it at 12.7 according to your list, but with R-77s or R-27s being added. As that is historically accurate

incongru · April 24, 2025, 4:50pm

MIRAGE 3C TO 10.3 LMFAO WHAT
IMG_E3487

Morvran · April 24, 2025, 4:53pm

Su-39 with R77 would be at least 13.0/13.3 with this list

AlvisWisla · April 24, 2025, 4:55pm

lol…
The F-15E going to 16.0 while F-14B only goes to 13.7 instead of 14.7 is wild.
Yak-141 not going to 15.3 with R-77s is also wild.
This list is pure nonsense and proof that mathematically 16.0 isn’t possible according to this very list.

I mean, F-5E going to 12.3 is proof enough.
As is Mig-29s being different BRs with the same loadouts.

The list is bad, all around. The feedback I would have to get multiple someones that knows balancing and analysis to bounce ideas back and forth with.

You can get to 15.0, but this list is not how you do that.

UniqueScorpions · April 24, 2025, 4:58pm

Your opinions are invalid to me. You’re very biased in favor of British dominance.

Especially since you seemingly don’t understand, you’d have to sacrifice other weapon systems to carry the other ones.

Would you rather have 12 Vikhirs or x2 R-27?

Would you rather have R-73s or R-77s?

Would you rather have ECM jammers and extra flare pods or R-60s?

That’s why only a slight increase is necessary if it gets those weapons.

Pair it with the fact you have to carry the radar with those other weapons, and if your fully loaded, your rather heavy.

Morvran · April 24, 2025, 5:00pm

Then FA2 to 12.7 and harrier Gr7 to 12.0

incongru · April 24, 2025, 5:07pm

Mirage F1 to 12.7 what the f-

F8E FN without countermeasures to basically 11.0 diabolical

Super Etendard to 11.0 lmfao just…

i give up this list broke me

GALWAYLION · April 24, 2025, 5:24pm

Why do I feel like this list is based on how much you’ve died to a certain plane?

Phazer · April 24, 2025, 6:27pm

probably

I was only doing aircraft in ranks 7 and 8, i didnt touch any of the lower ones

yes its not perfect, i did it rather quickly which is why i was asking for feedback

i thought i did although i couldve missed some

i was putting anything with medium range ARH missiles at at least 14.0

it would get 4 max, and the r77 isnt great

the german and russian first mig29s are the same br

the German MiG29G with R27ER would be higher

yes

as i dont have access to stats to balance like gaijin does, i used my own personal experience flying most of these aircraft

Ion_Protogen · April 24, 2025, 6:31pm

16.0 is very possible if you decompress 8.3+, and not 10.0+. 15.0 is very easy to achieve by just decompressing the 12.3+ BR range, and it’s quite easy to find another 1.0 BRs of decompression elsewhere.

I don’t disagree.

七-十三 · April 24, 2025, 6:39pm

just study and make paper on 0.7 matchmaking bracket. this BR changes are too hard to be done because realistically most problem are related to how strong vehicle at 1.0 BR diff are.

UniqueScorpions · April 24, 2025, 6:57pm

lol you avoided my question as if it was a cop

Ion_Protogen · April 24, 2025, 7:05pm

An Su-39 would be 13.0 with R-77s in WT right now, why would it be lower on that list?

Morvran · April 24, 2025, 7:16pm

FA2 even with AMRAAM is barely stronger than the F-14A at the moment, and at most, equal to the F-14B without Aim-9M. Certainly shouldnt be considered equal to the F3 late or superior to the F-14B with Aim-9M. Its loadout is mass of compromises. Its strongest loadout leaves it with no gun or IR missile

Maybe in the future if they ever fix the FA2, it could be higher, but still would be weaker than the F3 Late, especially if it ever gets fixed/finished too (and they both have the same major issue, BOL)