I feel like Air RB is just arcade for try hards and doesn’t really give you a legit gauge on which planes perform better than others or not. You anre not even flying the plane and just pointing and clicking.
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late reply here but the F14A is superior to every single 12.3 you listed there bar the mirage 2k.
12.0 they have the F4S which is one of the best phantoms BR for BR, the EJ kai at 12.3 is over BRd tbh, F4S has a good PD radar, HMD, agile eagle, 6 good radar missiles, 2 IR missiles, a good auto cannon and decent speed.
the mig23ML is pretty poor now i tend to beat them easily enough with an F5C so that shows theyre only used for their missiles now. the mig21 BIs IMO is still poor as even with all its upgrades its still a mig21 and can be easy combated, R73s arent ungodly missiles, just preflare them, and the Radar scope is pretty narrow so you can notch its radar while keeping your own lock.
and i see in another comment you mention comparing the F14A to the F16 which there is no 12.3 F16 if i see right lowest is 12.7. but yes the F16A is better in every aspect bar no radar missiles-
The F4 EJ kai is not better than the F14A in every way bar sustained turn rate thats just not true, it has a better missile kit E.G the Aim9Ls, same Aim7Fs, better radar, objectively slower, worse turning overall, worse control, and one of the worst phantom platforms its literally carried by its kit and radar.
The US in ARB is pretty close if not the best nation in the game nearly BR for BR tbh
Though i do think it was a bit daft to add this as an event vehicle cause the absolute spam of ARH missiles sucks the fun out the BR bracket.
and sorry for the late and long reply!
its even worse at top tier man, its genuinely hilarious now, people fly up, shoot off their whole load of ARH missiles say at 40km ish, then try to RTB.
very few people actually try to BVR properly, so much so that im now getting more kills in the F15A using aim9Ms with my radar turned off… a JAS39C with amraams should not lose to an F15A without em.
ARB needs a rework, and a big one, its compressed, the lobbies are too big, the maps are far too small, and to top it off, teh gameplay loop is insidiously boring and drives people away or back down to lower BRs. which then causes the issue of poor newer players getting clapped by someone with 20 thousand games.
F-4EJ Kai: All-aspect PD radar, AIM-7Fs, AIM-9Ls, and 30 more countermeasures.
The exclusive downside is it turns 2 degrees less per second sustained.
Mig-21Bison: All-aspect PD radar, R-73s, and R-27Rs.
Refer to downside above.
Kurnass 2000: 6x Python 3 missiles, 290 countermeasures.
Refer to downside above.
None of them are inferior to F-14A.
F-14A has a front-aspect only radar, AIM-7Fs for fighters, AIM-54s for bombers, AIM-9Hs, and 2 seconds more sustained turn rate.
Same countermeasures as Mig-21Bison.
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the F14 has a good radar thats PD lock maintains itself more often than not as well, more aim7Fs than the ej kai, and i said about the 9Ls, the F14 is also far, far better in any form of dogfight its not just about sustained turns man. id 100 percent rather the F14A at 12.3 to use than the EJ kai like i state, the EJ kai is just the kit, once you get past it, its pretty much over for the kai.
i also said the mig21 bison suffers extremely due to narrow radar scope, and the fact that its speed bleed and again the R73s are easily flared, providing you actually know how.
the kurnass 2000 has 6 close range, and now adays easily flared missiles unfortunately, has no radar missiles, thus is missing a massive part of the long range capabilities, the CMS i didnt realise it got so many, im grinding isreal now so its good to know.
the F14A will beat every phantom in the game in a dogfight, IF it can get to it, it is however faster than them all, (does consume fuel like a madman though) and has far better control than the phantoms as well over all.
right now though, its bloody miserable to play any jets 12.0 and over tbh, hell even 11.3 is pretty poor due to being sucked into lobbies of F14s, which the missiles are easy to beat, but the dynamic of the entire lobby is horrendous, short lived matches that barely have any time to get into them.
though, if youre more successful with the KAI, by all means, i absolutely love the phantoms and find even the F4E to be a funner, more enjoyable plane to use compared to the F14 now adays.
More doesn’t matter. 4v6 is not a major change for radar missiles.
As for dogfight… you seem to forget that an F-14A always needs to bring full fuel due to their <8 minutes of AB on full fuel.
An F-4E has that fuel time on 25 minutes.
F-14A also lacks any decent RWR.
“Easily flared” by you doesn’t mean much, most players aren’t us turning off AB to defeat missiles.
Air RB isn’t about dogfights, and hasn’t for a year now.
The meta is BVR and boom-zoom, which all aircraft can do to different levels.
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i mean i dont bring full fuel on my 14A you simply dont have to full burn much… dunno why youd bring up the fuel for it considering you can get into the match with about 18 mins if not less to dogfight with.
the F14A RWR is more than good enough man, compared to say the F1C RWR, the F14A still knows when most enemy are locking and launching on it.
You bring up the R73 not being flared by people, same goes for the pheonix rn, most people just headbutt it head on,
And now we touch on the last point, ARB is not about dogfights, or any form of close combat at all which is half n half, ive seen so many people have absolutely no idea how these new ARH missiles work at all, its ridiculous tbf. getting gun kills on gripens in the 15A shouldnt be happening when they have four ARH missiles.
But the gameplay loop at top tier, is uhm, miserable at best tbh man.
though for launching a missile long range and BVRing the F14A , technically, is better than the KAI due to the AIM54s… which for some reason do really well even though was meant for bombers and that kind of air craft at high alt.
So we can finally come to an agreement that the F-14 is superior to all 12.3s then?
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It isn’t.
F-14A doesn’t have the IR missiles, RWR, nor the radar to be superior. And no, it shouldn’t get 9Ls as it’s the earliest ever F-14A thus cannot be replaced with an earlier F-14A.
It’d have to be an F-14D without the General Electric engines.
F-14A is slower to accelerate than the F-4Es due to that added mass as well.
Just move the 2 offending 11.3s down to 11.0 and it’s balanced.
lmao
There are plenty of planes in 11.3-12.0 with even worse RWR than F-14A, which will be faced by F-14A mainly.
The F-14A’s RWR might be an unsatisfied option for a 4th-gen fighter, but it is still above average in brackets.
F-104S & S/TAF, F-104S.ASA, JA37C/D, F-4EJ & ADTW, F1C, of course, we can’t forget about F-4J(UK) junks as an example.
If you think F-14A isn’t superior thanks to AN/ALE-45(V) RWR, and think that it shouldn’t face the advanced 4th Gen in matches.
Then, inferior RWR junk jets also have the right not to face F-14A and its mighty AIM-54 and Fakour-90.
FYI: Fakour-90’s G-limit has been buffed from 15G to 20G in the recent ‘Dance of Dragons’ dev server.
Sir, Do you still want to call them as ‘skill-check missiles’?
Edit: Forgot to mention that F-14A (Both IRIAF and USN) has the heaviest loadout for anti-air combat
Kurnass 2000 only have 6 IR missiles with 0 SARH/ARH
Mirage 2000D has only 2 IR Missiles with 0 SARH/ARH
Mirage 2000C and 21bison have 2 IR missiles with 2 SARH missiles.
F-4EJ Kai might be a good option thanks to 4 IR with 4 SARH in weaponry but sadly it is still a phantom.
Harrier GR.7 only have 4 IR missiles with Subsonic fuselage.
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There are 2 11.3s with no RWR or an RWR that cannot detect launches.
That’s it.
Mig-21’s RWR for example is more than enough to defeat F-14A cause its ARHs are the easiest to defeat.
JA-37s have the RWRs to deal with AIM-54s with ease. Lock + launch detection.
F-1C, F-4s and F-104S have lock detection which with a bit of process of elimination during an uptier, you put the lock signal between you and a mountain. Of course F-4EJ could probably go to 11.0 and be fine.
And F-104S ASA is in the same exact situation F-14A is. Missiles are the reason its BR is the way it is.
Also F-14A Iran can’t go to 12.7 cause every 12.7 is superior to it, but it can’t stay at 12.3 cause it’s better than most of them. Welcome to compression and why there should’ve been a 0.7 BR separation between F-14A and F-14B permanently.
Mirage 2000s are infinitely superior to F-14A in defense and offense and are impossible to die to an F-14A in.
“It’s sadly still an F-14A.” is the same exact sentiment as “Sadly it’s still a Phantom.”
F-14A is not an F-14B or F-15, it’s an airframe competitive with the Mig-23MLD and F-111F.
The difference between F-14A and F-4E is smaller than the difference between F-14A and F-14B.
In-fact, F-14A is slower to accelerate than the F-4E platforms.
First of all, Launch detection doesn’t work as perfectly as you think sadly.
There are some F-4S with AN/ALE-45 which can’t have launch detection against AIM-54A.
My first impression of F-14A and its RWR after the Ali-cat event was ‘Erm, I heard that AN/ALE-45 has Launch detection but Why are all I see are Question marks with long beep noise only?’
with a stock plane without Chaff, I had an awful time against Fakour Spam in my first match.
F-14A’s RWR is still Above average but still at an inadequate level.
and, it means, no need to talk about the worse one in lower BR.
Secondly, I agree with you about serious compressions in Battle Rating. but still, I think F-14A IRIAF needs to go 12.7 after Fakour buff as a stopgap measure.
We can’t wait forever till BR decompression while 20G fakour ruins the 11.3-12.3 even worse than now. right?
Nah, I saw much of Mirage 2000C trying to engage F-14A in an intense dogfight and ended up bleeding too much energy thanks to the delta wing and being fragged by AIM-9H or M61.
I agree that the Mirage 2000 has a better fuselage with superior RWR, Still, the F-14 seems more suited for the current meta.
I think the Mirage 2000C-S5 and F-14A are the best two 12.3 jets in the current meta.
Mirage 2000C-S5 might be better on fuselage but F-14A is better on Weaponlry.
Everything else in 12.3 seems inferior to F-14A.
Might not be [‘Significantly worse’ and can’t compare] problem.
Still feels slightly overrated than F-14A and has a few annoying flaws against them.
As a joke, If I can have Canadian CF-14 without AIM-54 but keep AIM-9H and AIM-7F as British Premium, I might throw my MiG-21 Bison into the trash bin and go play CF-14.
At low speeds the Mirage 2000C out-rates an F-14A by over 3 degrees per second… when the F-14A’s wings are swept out.
So yeah, the F-14A player had more skill.
F-14A is only great at fragging bombers right now, which is still a large amount of players.
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Ah, here comes the Tomcatter’s Power move. [Blaming every frag into ‘bomber’.] bah…
F-14A seems good at fragging F-14A too, especially with Fakours.
are you planning to say those Tomcatters are * bombers * too?
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If they fly like a bomber, they might as well be a bomber.
Especially with the bad RWR…
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Maybe it cant detect launch from PD radar
0 level guys who just bought/grinded event - they are
Wut the Kafir C.7 has a PD radar without SARH?. I never saqw a radar on it
The f104S.ASA is a pretty good vehicel because you get a vulcan and 4 aim9l at that BR. I liked it really. (Befor the BR changes)
I get 3-4 kills every match in the F14 and I only had such a prime time In F104G half a year ago