I agree, and normally I wouldn’t really bring up SPAA K/Ds unless I want to compare different SPAAs.
However if someone keeps saying “oh this SPAA is good”, “SPAA players are just bad” and “The M163 can easily handle 8.3”, than I at least expect that person to be able to back that up with decent performance (at 7.3 which is a full BR lower).
96 air kills in 309 games doesn’t scream “8.3 capable AA” to me.
Can’t handle when people call you out? At least my arguments had any weight to begin with unlike yours. You like calling SPAA players bad all the time, but as soon as someone points out your performance it’s not fun anymore huh?
It’s pretty well known that you need CAS to do well, without it you just get outperformed.
Which also shows in your generally mid/mediocre performance in SPAA.
I consider myself an ok SPAA player not the best but I can usually get 1-3 plane kills a match if they are spawned (I know this holds 0 weight) and me personally the VEAK is kinda bad at 7.7 it’s pretty much just a M42 with a slightly better fire rate and one of the worst radars you could possibly find slapped on it. The radar doesn’t accurately track outside of 1.5ish km and I hear that the M163 is the same in the radar respect. Also the Swedish 40mm’s are kinda hard to aim without radar unless the plane is really close to you anyways.
Rocket helis already perform fine they just heli rush and get like 2 plus kills then die and even if you nerf the Oerlikons rocket helis could still just get auto cannoned or coaxed or hmg’d.
Did bro just call the AV-8C and A4E early overtiered?
If you moved them down for ground they would become so insanely oppressive it wouldn’t even be funny. Aim 9Ds and Aim 9Gs at 8.3 would be criminal no other planes would be able to run CAS period no questions asked. Even right now there’s only like 3 aircraft at 8.3 with missiles and they’re terrible (referring to the missiles). No one would play 8.3 if the Harrier and A4E were there because if im not mistaken the A4E can bomb fling which would just be unfair if there was a lack of semi long range radar AA and the Harrier is Supersonic. Even if you moved them down to 8.7 it would be unfair so no absolutely not.
If the Veak 40 performs similar to the M163, then it would be fine.
No I called the A-4B overtired.
A-4E has Aim-9Bs, it’s only the Israeli A-4 with 9Ds.
I’m not 100% sure, but I don’t think the A-4B has any A2A missiles.
and Aim-9Gs aren’t all aspect and you needa sacrifice 1/5 of your Harrier’s precious hard points, per missile, so I don’t really see the issue.
If you mean air to air missiles, then the A-4B and AV-8C wouldn’t pose any really issues.
If you mean air to ground, the Harrier only has dumb bombs/rockets and the A-4B has bullpups.
The F-84B at 7.0, F-84F at 8.3, and Swedish A-21 at 4.3 can all bomb fling, and none of em are overpowered. Honestly, CCRP and CCIP are both very fitting counters for radar SPAA.
Harrier is subsonic and flies like absolute doodoo.
When’s the last time you or anyone on here was shot down by a VEAK? I just think it and the M163 are equivalent and they’re both crap and shouldn’t face high subsonics.
My mistake on the A4. I could see it facing 8.3 however its turn rate is still really good for the BR and 3k lbs of bombs with a 20 mil auto cannon and 2 9b’s might still be oppressive seeing as the closest to it right now at 8.3 is the Saab 105 OE and G with 2 aim9b’s 2 30 millimeter cannons and 2 1k lb bombs (that’s how I personally run it) while being slower and worse in almost every aspect.
The AIM9G’s are too good for 8.3. The Harrier will be the overall best aircraft at 8.3 if it gets put there. I have problems with it at 9.3 let alone 8.3 it’s fast got a good turn rate and can carry multiple un dodgeable missiles and 3 bombs flares and a RWR it should stay in the 9.0 range
Again I really wouldn’t see a problem with the A4B moving down outside of the fact that it out rates most aircraft without an airbrake at 8.3 I also feel like the A4 in general is usually easy to beat in a dogfight but that’s because I’ve gotten into the rhythm of beating them in close in dog fights now others might have a problem with it but I don’t.
I do still think the Harrier is a bit OP for 8.3 because it gets RWR and flares and the fact that it’s just faster than everything in 8.3 and it turns pretty good but if you swapped the AIM9G’s with AIM9B’s I could see it being at 8.7-9.3.
