You are removing Germany’s spaa between 8.3 and 9.0 when they already have a large gap between 6.7-8.3.
I think, that might be the point of what he’s trying to do. Not just for Germany though.
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What does this have to do with Germany? Nearly every nation would be better balanced by this change. If you’re really concerned abt Germany not having the strongest SPAA out of any nation for a 2.0 gap, then Germany could prolly receive a shilka or something similar.
Let us forget about helis!
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Oh yeah, ATGM helis will needa be moved up too.
Another benefit to such a change is giving rocket only helis some breathing room.
HKP3C gonna be more pathetic than it is currently
HKP3C might actually be good if Gepards were moved to 9.0.
I’ve said this already, but moving the gepards up makes them worse at fighting planes, meaning they HAVE TO go after tanks to not lose SL’s playing it. I’d rather see the gepards stat where they are and for us to use positive reinforcement to make gepards shoot down planes. A great example is the L-62 ANTI. In what world will it be shooting down planes at 3.3 while getting tons of 3.7-4.0 uptiers? It was moved from 2.7 to 3.3 because of its Tank hunting, but it can’t do anything against a plane who doesn’t headon it/is biplane or heavy bomber. If we put it back to 2.7 then have it x6 times more SL and RP from shooting down planes, they would go after planes(in theory)
but yes if we move up everything that is dangerous to the HKP3C it will be unrivaled, but I guess I’m bring captain obvious today
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That’s good. 1980s SPAA fighting 1940s planes is just silly anyways.
Just increase their cost to 150sp and make them increase in cost with other tank spawns.
tryna force players to use a vehicle for something it’s not very good at is a bad idea.
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Sure. I can see it for a 1980s AA to actually fight 1980s planes.
150sp is reasonable, understand the want for that.
not forcing them to play it as an AA, just incentivizing them to - with massive rewards for doing one thing compared to the other. If they want to get that dopamine rush an go on a violent rampage, I don’t mind, i bring HE shells for a reason
rn tho, I will sleep because it midnight
Just because you decide to spawn 1940s planes in matches where gepards are around is a you issue.
I would only agree with this if they implement a way that takes belts into account. Like for planes. If you take out ap belts you get the higher cost but if you only take out he belts for planes it should stay at the same spaa cost
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Don’t expect free kills.
As you said yourself, it is possible to evade and guide the missile at the same time.
3km gives you plently of time to evade.
I don’t know what invisible HE rounds you see at 8.3, the only ones I know of are the M247 with HE-VT and the PGZ09 with AHEAD, both of them being 9.0…
Or do you mean HE-VT form artillery?
Any other SPAA below 8.3 are pretty ineffective against helicopters, or jets so to speak
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I believe the possible here is the same possible in: It’s possible to kill a leo2 in a bt5.
MCLOS needs LOS guidance, or you can only pray for a hit
Not for 600sp vs 70sp
Main reason most ppl don’t fly.
It needs 6 for the plane. 3 gives enough for the spaa side to evade tho.
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SUB I-II is berter SPAA than Wiesel mind you :P
Well, the name of your thread kinda suggests that a BR increase was exactly what you were after, hence why i phrased my response that way.
Regarding the overlap in function with LT’s, I’m not sure that is a real problem per se. Yes, it does change the makeup of the vehicles used in this BR range, but for me personally at least I like the change. In the BR’s below 8 SPAA is at a massive disadvantage and not often played other than as late game filler. Accordingly the games are polluted with CAS, especially at the early stages. As you get up into the 8.0+ range and SPAA has the dual roll, there is less CAS overall it seems. I would suspect because CAS isn’t outright farming points now, they actually have to do stuff like, well, turn maneuver a bit…and crazy things like that. I am good with that personally.
For helo’s, I don’t disagree it’s hard on them to start. But they get a pretty massive payoff at later BR’s with machines that tip the scales in the opposite direction.
Yes, it’s a me issue for spawning an overpriced and underpowered class (CAS) instead of playing exclusively Gepard meta.
That’s not a bad idea for the players, however sadly it lessens the stock grind so Gajin is unlikely to implement it : /
If you are in an uptier and the enemy has SPAA up don’t be surprised when they are good.
How does it lessen the stock grind? Don’t most SPAA start off with mostly HE belts aynway? What would this suggestion even change regarding stock grind?
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A 600sp vehicle should atleast have reasonable chances at fighting back against a 70sp vehicle even in an uptier.
Again, there’s absolutely 0 reason for 1980s SPAA to ever see 1940s aircraft.
Any system that makes a stock vehicle easier to spawn, be it decreased BR or in this case decreased SP cost, will make the grind easier.
Then you should advocate for decompression rather than just asking the SPAA to go up. By your same logic of 1980s SPAA should not face WW2 planes I raise you several other examples. Namely the BTR-ZD (80s), Ystervark (80s), R3 T20 (80s), Bosvark (90s), Leopard 40/70 (90s). Should all those be moved to 9.0 just because they are 80s SPAA?
And I know they don’t have radar and such but that is pretty much it.
But this idea does not make the spaa any cheaper. They keep the 70sp cost with AA belts and increase the cost for Ground belts. It only changes the cost regarding the SPAA being used as an IFV
Moving vehicles up is literally what decompression is. Decompression should always start with the strongest vehicles, which in 8.3-9.3’s case, are the Gepards.
You do realize when people talk about vehicle time periods, they’re referencing technology, not vehicle introduction date, right?
The 1980s radar SPAA use 1980s technology fighting 1940s vehicles using 1940s technology.
Gajin will likely view that as a 150 base cost with a no HE reduction.
It’s not a bad idea, it’s just that Gajin has a knack for screwing simple stuff up.
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