Nerf SPAA from 8.0 to 9.0

[Herojure24]

@Pangolin_Fan

Decompression should always start with the strongest vehicles, which in 8.3-9.3’s case, are the Gepards.

They are only strong because of how broken APIT is. If they did not have that it would be a non issue. They need to be strong against planes because otherwise you would have people at 8.3 fighting CAS with .50cal trucks and single 20mm open tops. Those are breakfast for even late 40s jets.

@Pangolin_Fan

Gajin will likely view that as a 150 base cost with a no HE reduction.

What makes you think that? The same system is implemented for planes and it works as I described it not as you did. Anti Air or similar belts don’t affect the base SP cost however Ground belts (whatever the penetration is again for ground, I forgot) RAISE the base cost. What makes you think this would work in any way different?

Or do you mean that SPAA with tank killing belts should cost less? The way you worded the last reply makes no sense

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Herojure24

They are only strong because of how broken APIT is. If they did not have that it would be a non issue. They need to be strong against planes because otherwise you would have people at 8.3 fighting CAS with .50cal trucks and single 20mm open tops. Those are breakfast for even late 40s jets.

Vehicles like Shilka and M163 are fully adequate to fight 8.3 CAS planes like F-84F and SAAB-105.

@Herojure24

What makes you think that? The same system is implemented for planes and it works as I described it not as you did.

The SP system for planes has been getting worse and worse over the past year or so.

[Herojure24]

@Pangolin_Fan

Vehicles like Shilka and M163 are fully adequate to fight 8.3 CAS planes like F-84F and SAAB-105.

So you’re saying all nations should get those as copy paste or just have huge gaps in SPAA lines?

@Pangolin_Fan

The SP system for planes has been getting worse and worse over the past year or so.

Okay. Good for tanks I say. But please can you just explain this bit. It’s weird.

@Pangolin_Fan

150 base cost with a no HE reduction.

did you mean “150 base with a no AP reduction” or “150 base with only HE reduction”. Or did you somehow actually mean what you wrote?

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Herojure24

So you’re saying all nations should get those as copy paste or just have huge gaps in SPAA lines?

Most nations have comparable indigenious designs that can be added. Most nations already have an M163, Shilka, or something comparable like WZ305 or Veak 40.

@Herojure24

did you mean “150 base with a no AP reduction”

Yes.

[Herojure24]

@Pangolin_Fan

Most nations have comparable indigenious designs that can be added. Most nations already have an M163, Shilka, or something comparable like WZ305 or Veak 40.

That is the issue though. Before they are added (we know gaijin will take decades) this is the best solution. I’d rather have OP SPAA for a couple RB brackets than OP CAS for more brackets.

@Pangolin_Fan

Yes.

I see. I still don’t think that would be the case but you are allowed your own opinion. Even if they increased cost and treated 150 as base SP the fact that SPAA used to always be 70 would not make the grind any different at all. And also many SPAA with calibers under 20mm would not even qualify for this BASE COST at all. SO just going by that it would make more sense to use 70 as the base and 150 as increased.

I’ll probably be off to actually make this a suggestion thread

[Pangolin_Fan]

@Herojure24

That is the issue though. Before they are added (we know gaijin will take decades) this is the best solution. I’d rather have OP SPAA for a couple RB brackets than OP CAS for more brackets.

OP CAS doesn’t really matter much when it’s limited to one or two kills. Gepards have been infamously used for nuke farming for a while now.

[Herojure24]

@Pangolin_Fan

Gepards have been infamously used for nuke farming for a while now.

I am aware. The same argument of balance persists. It’s way easier to kill a gepard in my tank than it is to kill a plane. And in fact I often do kill gepards in my tanks. Planes… not so much

[QTip_44]

SUB I-II is more than competent at it’s 5.3 BR. Issue there is it has no replacement until 7.3. That’s a long stretch.

And the Wiesel, STARTING at 7.3, with the same gun, seems laughable.

[Creastroy]

@Herojure24

Just because you decide to spawn 1940s planes in matches where gepards are around is a you issue.

“Just because you decide to spawn anything where BMPTs are around is your issue.”

Avg ground guy logic

[Herojure24]

yeah I have stopped playing the BMPT brackets at all since they ruined them by adding the BMPT

[gfdsa_killer]

Is there any 1940 plane with 8.3 br??

[DiamondCraftLP]

the poor Me 163 B-0,

otherwise only the Yak23 has an introduction date before 1950 ('49)

@Pangolin_Fan

SAAB-105

You know that one is from the 70s, right, not the 40s

[gfdsa_killer]

Who plays Me 163 in Ground Battles, doesnt even have AP belts.

[Herojure24]

I have seen it happen

[Creastroy]

plenty around 7.3-8.0

yk BMPT does not only ruined 10.3 alone, but all the way from 9.3. 10.3 lights can get uptiered even for today

[Perinvisus]

Who plays the Me 163 would be the better question.

[gfdsa_killer]

The thing must be good in air arcade battles bc of small map.

[Perinvisus]

I’m actually using Air Arcade to slowly spade all of air. And, not really? The guns are kinda terrible, the fuel limited, and most planes are way more maneuverable than in realistic.

[DiamondCraftLP]

@Pangolin_Fan

The 1980s radar SPAA use 1980s technology fighting 1940s vehicles using 1940s technology.

almost all (only 2 are not) 8.3 aircraft are 1950s or later tech, but anyway.

You want 50s technology? You can have it…

I introduce to you the anti-air tech from the 50s:

USA:

• MIM-3 Nike Ajax
• MIM-14 Nike Hercules
• MIM-23 HAWK (although this more on the edge of the 60s, but it was designed in the 50s)

USSR:

• S-25 Berkut
• S-75 Dwina

UK:

• Boodhound missile

As you might have realized, those are SAM-systems. With considerable range.
And all nations in the game would have access to those. (idk bout Israel though; I guess they could get some via Greece…)

We could add those of course.
The multi-vehicle system of the game allows for that.

[Pangolin_Fan]

They prolly wouldn’t be very good in GRB tbh.