But that’s not the case.
There are multiple armour penetrations from Rodney and kgv in bismarks armour. After all, they didn’t flood the magazine because they wanted a swim.
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Yeah I thought that sounded wrong, also the part the KGV penetrated was the most armoured…
But the whole reason the Bismarck diverted to France was because a KGV penned through to a boiler and reduced its maximum speed to one where even older British battleships would have been able to intercept it.
Its undeniable the ship was scuttled, but to infer that the KGV’s couldn’t have done something against the mighty Bismarck after having 20 years spent testing warship designs is stupid.
Also he claimed that the Germans hit first, not even the Bismarck forum claims this, the PoW hit Bismarck 3 times before Bismarck managed to hit (and subsequently sink) Hood.
I think the Hood is over-tiered. This could be worked out fairly easily if they would just decompress the BR’s some after adding 8.0. Scharnhorst would be the number one vehicle to move to 8.0.
I think fixing someone of the blatantly ahistorical layouts of other ships would help as well. For instance, the Renown sits far too high in the water making the magazine much more vulnerable. If it was less of a floating ammo magazine, it’s performance would be greatly increased.
I’m just making the point that some of the people complaining about the Scharnhorst (and there are legitimate criticisms) need to adapt if they have the capacity to do so. If they have high-caliber HE shells, they should switch to them and target those vulnerable areas. I also see a lot of ships with torpedoes that don’t use them nearly enough if at all. It only takes one decent torpedo hit to cause a breach big enough to cause enough flooding that the engine will be permanently damaged.
I can sail into 5 battleships with a Scharnhorst and have a good chance of killing all of them without being killed, but if I’m going up against people who know what they are doing, it’s much more difficult.
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Yeah, that I would agree with. To start, the Hood has massively increased artificial shell dispersal, likely to make it a more fair fight for the smaller calibre guns it faces. Un-doing that might be a good place to start.
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The Renown seems to have the same problems with its guns.
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Its all 15 inch guns. Including those on… Japan? I think. I cant remember which other nation has 15 inch guns. But all 15 inch guns in game have nerfed shell dispersal for “balance”
But this means I have fired a salvo from the Hood at about 12-13 ish km if I recall. and nearly the entire salvo missed, with shells landing long and short of the target. Plunging fire is what the Hood is best suited for but cant actually employ that tactic
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recent discovery in italian naval archives, found that the 381mm Ansaldo gun was able to fire at maximum of 28 seconds for each shot… and not 45 seconds as it has always been wrongly repeated.
This is a fast ROF, and since the italian navy always for some reason put not the fastest ROF but the “realistic” one… we will need to see in warthunder the maximum one, then 1 round every 28 seconds.
It’s a LOT of firepower considering that gun is a beast
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UK and Germany are the only ones with 15" guns.
Ah, thank you, I knew another nation had a 15 inch gun.
Richelieu class is close to Bismarck and better than her on some part.
I know but I mean in terms of like Behemoth dreadnaughts like Montana, Lion, Sovetsky Soyuz and Yamato, the 70,000 tonner’s
But until that point France will definitely have options as will Italy.
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In that case no, indeed no behemoth like them, but perhaps some nice cold war ships, or coastal one would make the thing easier with some exocet or other missiles.
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I agree, if i’m honest nothing will weight up against Yamato anyway no matter how much they buff/favour Russia/Germany.
But having coastal vessel’s with ASHM’s will at least help. (Would be kinda funny to see the Buccaneer with the nuclear bomb go against Yamato and Soyuz…)
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Just played a few matches in this, and she’s certainly not unkillable. Died twice in the three games, one to AP, one to “Ammunition Load Burned Down” about three minutes after the start of the match with 98% crew. I got 11 kills in those three games, which sounds like a lot, but it really isn’t. The guns just do not do damage. While decompression in general would be nice, Scharnhorst isn’t the OP monster that everyone is making it out to be.
No it will only pen when you hit at angles where it should either not pen or slightly different than 0°, or at the highest or lowest points of the plate, that’s a bug that’s at least here since this major update
You can test this further in a custom battle against a BB that is supposed to be easy to pen (North dakota, wyoming, hyuga…etc) at point blank and you will notice it clearly, you can also try shooting the barbettes and turret faces, same behaviour the shell gets blocked.
Yes, if you read the rest of the thread I go into more detail about what I saw and what I think is happening.
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Thanks for the info and constructive conversation gentlemen. I learned a lot, and will try out some Navel Battles soon too and report back later. Cheers.
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That’s reassuring. Do you have a link to this discovery somewhere?
Otherwise, I would have always expected the developers to give them 2 RPM to make them competitive. After all, that’s the end of the line battleship for Italy. It would sit pretty awkwardly with a 45s reload.
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The only advantage I see with Richelieu are two knots in speed and AA post US visit, before it was just as pitiful as German AA, if not worse.
Bismarck has much better firerate on the main guns, with less dispersion, and her armor layout is better suited for the CQC of WT battles (Traits she very much shares with Scharnhorst).
Believe me I would have loved for it to be better for the Richelieu, because Jean Barts AA firepower seems so damn tasty
Better AA with US refit, and again WAY better after with later French refit.
On some part the jean bart armor (with also a turtleback) is slightly heavier too (at least on some part), and the French shells are a little more spicy.