Nerf MiG-23ML/MLD

mig 23 mld definitely can be moved up to 12.0, it has the fm and rwr for it. 23ml/mla not really

It’s FM not as good as people try to make it. Pretty much any airframe above 12.0 that isn’t F-4EJ Kai will win a dogfight against MLD. And MLD has nothing to compensate for it, only getting 2 good missiles while every 12.0 that isn’t F-104S.ASA gets more radar missiles or even IRCCM Fox-2 missiles alongside much better radars to boot. All in all there is no significant difference in offencive capabilities between ML\MLA and MLD and only slightly better defencive capabilities due to an improved RWR. But funnily enough MLD RWR makes it completely vulnuerable to the scariest opponent at this battle rating - another MiG-23. SPO-15 can’t detect J-band so every single R-24R is completely undetectable by you unless you see it visually.

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In this configuration i would agree to put it at 12.0, maybe 12.3.

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if it gets r73s it would go to 12.7, as it could prolly carry 4

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No, it can only carry 2 of them. MiG-21Bison is at 12.3 while having better radar, sidegrade SARH missiles, R-73+HMD combo and fully digital RWR.

It can’t carry r73s on the r23 pylons?

Nope, all sources that i found state that it carries 2 R-24s + 4 R-60s or 2 R-73s. Later down the line HMD was tested on some of the MLDs but at that point MiG-29 was in full production so no one bothered to put it in serial.

If not that one then I’d argue the Czech Magic-2 testbed would also be a good choice.
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Or the proposed mig23 with the r77

That sounds funny

Interesting pick, can it use Magics on belly pylons?

that one probably goes for 13.0, with 4 Fox-3s and upgraded radar are way too much for even 12.7

Don’t really care it would be a funny jet to troll ppl in

wouldnt happen bc harrier, tornado, viggen, kfir and f4 already exist at 13.0 which have similiar performance…

and atleast the f4 is funny/ good… the other one´s I havent tested…

Mig 23 is deffinition of mid
Nerf it how exactly?

sustained turn rate. it’s sustained around .5- 1 gs more than it should be in turns. basically it should lose a lot more speed when turning and fall out of the air

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this is a complain thread about the r-24 they dont care about the FM

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It already has one of the worst flight models in the game

Turns like a f104 then decides its a mig 21 and loses all its energy in no time

Same realisn that was implemented to the ki200 which has 1 minute of fuel to fight. Its alot of fun 😐

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