Nerf MiG-23ML/MLD

You shall talk about the R-60m… I wanna know what you think. a missle very easy to doge.

this sentence makes no sense but no, r60 is not easy to dodge
its kinda impossible to dodge
you need to fool its seeker with ir bait like flares or rockets

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1 or 2 flares is enough to get rid of it. The R-60 will be even easy as it not an all aspect missle which make it harder to lock and it short range. Are we all forgetting the R-73?? That is the real monster R-60 can be easily doge with flares. The R-73 will ignore it with it IRCCM… Espically if you shoot it from behind pulling 40g and you can literally use it on headon if it miss the target it will simply go 180 and shoot the target down. (unless he spam lot of flares)

Another thread plagued by US and Brit mains who have never flown the MiG-23 a day in their life making completely incorrect claims about its performance…

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they aint even that good smh my F-4E beat them any days

R24R isnt lobotimzed like most aim7s even the M is mid compared to it the only good sparrow is 7p

7E-2 beg to differ

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havent used it as of late but AIM7F/M feel like dogwater lately

7E-2 on F-4E is very good

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yea but no pulse dop holds it back cant low alt launch i prefer the F4j as its radar is amazing

r-24r is still better than the e-2 other than super close range shots where the e-2 is better due to it reaching max maneuverability sooner and super far shots at high altitude where the lesser drag of the sparrow carries it. In 99 percent of situations, the r-24r is superior to the e-2, although worse than the later sparrows or 530d

yeah for F-4E u dont go high alt head on, you go low and acm the high alt one
most players in the BRs usually go 3000-7000 then dive back down, acm them and shoot
almost zero chance to dodge

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For its BR, it is a solid missile when used properly. I only wish the size of the acm square on F-4E was smaller

irl its only 9.25km and a 6x6 i think

So it automatically makes it lock on just above effective range, nice

A part of that is probably that it’s facing things that can’t defend quite as well, like much weaker RWRs.

RWR is basically non-existence for this thing, flare and chaff are plenty for the brs tho

It also just feels good, 7E-2 is the best experience I’ve had with sparrows

so true, my hit probability is probably around 90%

F-4J and F-4S (the most spammed vehicle at 12.0) with AIM-7F have left the chat.

“perfectly usable” is the most vague statement that you could ever come up with. Every single missile in game, including a godforsaken Fireflash and AA-20 Nord is “perfectly usable”. I doesn’t mean that even having all-aspect seeker R-60M looses to literally every sinlge Fox-2 found at this br, including rear-aspect only just because when you get at combat distance to fire it only completely oblivious player won’t notice you and press a flare button when he sees a giant red diamond.

Mass copium about FM aside Tornado is an ok 12.0 aircraft, i’d say it’s what 12.0 ideal kit should be. It’s perfectly decent at pretty much anything aside actual dogfights.

That’s just personal bias. After playing with both Nado and MLD i can say that combat effectiveness of both CMs types is pretty much equal. You either easily flare Fox-2, or get bonked with IRCCM death rod from an aspect that you wouldn’t flare anyway. But with BOL pods and massive amount of CMs you can use them agressively, forcing to drop lock, pre-chaffing non-pd radars without much care and focus on more important matters.

Then you should pay more attention to how players play. WT players on average tend to completely ignore targets above, right below or to the side if you don’t give them any warnings. Sneaking 3km shots with 9L is extremely easy. 9G would be a bit more difficult becasue some side shots might not be possible with only 18Gs and rear-aspect seeker.

In the end, MiG-23 doesn’t have 12.0 kit, nor can it compensate for it with FM performance after the nerfs. 11.7 with only 2 good missiles and 4 extremely situational ones and FM that can hold it’s own up close to compensate for lack of missile quality and quantity is rightfully placed at 11.7 unless Gaijin will decompress current brackets.

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