dude, MiG-23MLD at 12.0 would be like Kfir C.10 at 13.7: its good for dogfights but lacks on missiles
also both of them have 72 countermesures (Kfir C.10 has normal CM while Flogger has reinforced CM) so if u can survive with the dorito u can survive with the brick with wings
(also srry for mentioning a completely different plane but both have very similar performance in their respective BRs)
Give 23mld r73s and shove it at 12.7
in other words its useless, and the mig23 gets dominated by f-16´s pretty easily…
Why?
Would get no more “dominated” by an F-16 than the Phantoms or even the Tornado is. But they are all at 12.0.
this applies to the performance not the missiles… I see the f4´s missiles better but yes the f4´s do also have the same problems and I dont have to start with the tornado/su25/24…
(the missile loadout has a stronger impact on the br than the performance on the plane so the f4´s are better than the 23)
welp you know what that mean? it perfect for it BR. There are more powerful aircraft in that BR as well however not many people grind that specific nation. Therefore, you barely see it. And Nerfing it will basically make it more unrealistic while moving it up it basically facing 4th Gen fighters
Maybe, just maybe because both naval Phantoms and Tornado have stuff that even MLD doesn’t? Like and actual PD radar that works at any altitude? Or actually good BVR missiles that are only rivalled by R-27ER that’s just on a whole other power level? Or an actual HMD at 12.0 that works both with radar and heatseekers? Actually good heatseekers at that, even if they are just rear aspect. In terms of Tornado it basically has a full kit except flight performance - good digital RWR, all-aspect amazing heatseekers, solid radar missiles (but i would kill for an AIM-7F) and a radar that’s even better than F-4S/J in my opinion. And let’s not forget BOL pods that allow you to not really care about how you use your CMs because you have just so many of them. While MLD has flight performance and 2 missiles that are good + 4 missiles that are extremely situational. Unlike 9G or even better 9L on a Tornado you can’t abuse launch range of R-60M to use them beyond player awareness range.
That are countered by barrel roll…
Try not launch them mindlessly at targets that will barrel roll them then? I haven’t touched 7F yet but i have plenty of experience with SuperTEMP (which is worse in most ways) and 4\5 launches hit targets pretty nicely.
With same logic you cant just use them
if you can’t use second best SARH missile in the game, that’s more of a skill issue than anything. I honestly would love to fly F-4S but i can’t justify spending 40 dollars on a 3d plane in a game.
More like enemy, who has at least some braincells…
Dropping vague answers just for the sake of being contrary? Although expecting anything more is a mistake on my end.
It already got nerfed to shit. Its just shadow of its former glory. Barely turns,now its 8G sustained compared to 11 before the nerf. And except MLD you have RWR that cant even detect F-4 launching Sparrow on you.
If this was still 2021 having it fight against phantoms at the time and its original overpowered FM id fully agree to bring it up
But its 2025 and alot has changed since then with the biggest thing being the nerfs the mig-23 already got awhile back (frankly it shoulda been nerfed sooner but 3 years is better than never i suppose)
Now if you cant deal with it id just say skill issue
even back then the fm wasnt good enough to beat the f14´s and f16´s…
Does this work both ways?
The mig23 loves eating pheonix missiles more than any other
What planes are you talking about?
Because the F-5E, the F-4E, and the F-4J can all detect the Mig-23
mig23 was op and asking for it to go down back then was stupid
it got nerfed hard
now its ok
no need for further nerf or going up
This is the only semi-valid argument you’ve made, though its only a relatively small one.
R-24R is the best SARH below 12.0 and the only missile at 12.0 that really beats it is the Skyflash SuperTEMP. Missile like Aim-7M which also beat it arent found until 12.3.
Even then, R-24R still has strengths over the Skyflash ST such as IOG.
This is on a minority of aircraft and is largely secondary as the missiles are not HOBS. Also I think its only IR missiles, but I could be wrong on that front. There are other Phantoms are 12.0 that do not have HMD such as the FGR2s and F4J(UK). In fact I think it is only the F-4S and F-4J(US) that have HMD.
R-60M are perfectly usable missiles and if you really dont like the radar, use the R-24Ts which are superior to even Aim-9Ls. Basically 2x Free kills at 11.7.
Tornado is an exception. It should be 12.3. But is at 12.0 because its no match for those at 12.3 like the F-18 or F-16. It could recieve the necessary buffs for it to be at 12.3 however, such as IRL performance on the BOL, Phimat pod(s) and its accurate FM.
I would have rather have the Mig-23MLDs 72 large calibre CMs over the 320 BOL we have at the moment, it would be more effective.
I did not realise players couldnt see beyond 2-3km. which is realisitcally the max range you will be firing an Aim-9G or Aim-9L, both of which, the Mig-23MLD can 1 flare defeat in any aspect with absolute ease.