Nerf MiG-23ML/MLD

tbf the f5´s are just a broken flightmodel…

Use proper fuel loads. With similar AB time

even if it is, the mig23 will be food for the typhoon in pretty much every way…

both are at 30 percent, similar afterburner time is dumb becuase typhoon will be on much more fuel

Statshark also gets the Delta-Canards wrong most of the time. Especially the Typhoon. I dont trust it with any of them

this would be roughly 42 percent fuel with 2 r23rs

It’s not really dumb, both planes will end up without fuel at similar-ish time
It makes more sense than both running 30%

the typhoon is much more agile than the mig23… I wouldnt trust statshark on this…

played both planes way too much (maybe not the ef2000) but I can judge on the performance…
and why didnt anyone play the mig23 at toptier when the missiles didnt hit??? -

The Radar needs a manual MTI switch, it’s currently under preforming.

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2 missiles is kinda stinky for arb, same thing with mig29, r27er at 12.7 is kinda absurd, but its there because those 2 r27er is all it has.

If the f4s only had 2 sparrows it would be 11.7 as well.

Doesnt MTI need ground to even work? Not sure what a manual switch would change unless the auto switch they put in game is not functioning properly and turning on as soon as there is enough ground reflection.

Considering how awful the auto wing sweep is I guess that isnt too far fetched.

the whoel concept of a mig-23 merging with a EF is dumb even more so both being fully loaded

lets just put a full A2G loadout on the EF so that it gets outrated by an F-4C

Or they would have 9Ls instead of 9Gs, like the Mig-23MLD has R-60M instead of R-60

and the R-60M is a mid missile at best and very situational

anyone that has a bit of situational awarness can easily defeat a r-60

Its better at close range when you bleed opponets energy, at least the launch angle is much more forgiving.

It is easier though to launch on somone without them noticing with the 9L which is probably the majority of kills for most people. Not plb5 or r24/7t tier bit a bit easier. Shame russia never made r13 double mounts, does the mig23 even have them?

r60 does not perform like the r73 in headons(around 1km launch) which would have given the missile a fair point why you prefer it over other missiles at its br… all other missiles dont pull in… and range is much more likely to hit bc the enemy cant see you/the missile…

and the maximum r13 loadout is 4…

Horrifically mid radars.
R-24R is E-2 equivalent.
R-60Ms are far worse than the AIM-9Ls seen on F-111C.

Thought this was a TIGER_TANK post from 2023 until I saw the name.
Mig-23ML is a chronically average 11.7. All 12.0s are better than it.

BR decompression would not change the relative BR Mig-23ML is from F-4Es and F-5Es.

Maybe a bit unrelated but from playing the MIG-21Bison using the r-27r i felt like that missile seems like a straight up downgrade to the r-24r, sure it pulls more G’s put accelerates so slow and loses so much energy when maneuvering, for close and long ranges its just worse than the r-24 and only in medium range is it a bit better, which i find very odd considering its a much more modern missile so should have a better motor and doesn’t have those huge fins of the r24 that must create more drag . Does that hold up with what is known about both missiles ? or is the r24 artificially buffed? (to sell premiums probably cough… cough…)