And the same can be said for the Su30 with it’s 12x R-771
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96 Large Caliber cms on the J11B are plenty enough.
Depending on the range you can typically notch most missiles with 4 or 5 drops while changing altitude.
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Notching takes 5 seconds, all you need to do is launch one FOX-3 to the enemy so he goes defensive
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Yeah that’s the point, that’s why you need to be able to do that. But most planes are too slow for their missiles to hit the target at 30km range. When u let even one off it’s nightmare. Also sometimes there are more than one amraam flying towards me so I tend to pop 20 chaff just to make sure nothing happens.
Definitely not possible. I tried once doing a sort of test. On average in a notch 10-15 chaff have around 80% effectiveness when fired consecutively, any less is extremely inconsistent at most ranges. Against MICA even less so. Unless it’s 35km upwards.
that 77 1 is still garbage compared with the aim 120
- Faster time to target
- Pulls more Gs at short to medium range
- Su-30 can carry 2-3x more R-77-1 than most can carry in AMRAAMs
- Su-30 has the second best radar in game by quite a margin
Still sounds like a skill issue to me.
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2-3x more missles means jack shit if they are uselses.
Clueless take at best.
Here, take a look for yourself
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At that distance no missile is a real threat, you can fly like nothing until it is at 10km of you, launch a missile to the enemy and go for the notch.
That’s purely on just notching and see when it loses track. It’s either yes or no. Also we are doing this with about mach 1.5 speed at 10k alt which is unrealistic but just to ensure the kinetic is not the limiting factor.
Sorry, i think i am not following you
Fire the missile at maximum kinetics, just to see the seeker performance against chaff. You might just need to scroll up a bit. This is about whether 96 chaff is plenty.
Ahhh, then yes, 96 single pops from Flankers are enough.
4 pops while notching and changing altitude will get that missile to lock in to chaff
Wrong, only at extremely close ranges you would need to drop so much chaff
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With the exception of MICA EM, All of them should react to chaff equally. though large calibre chaff is about 5.5 times more effective than regular chaff.
So where something like an F-16 or F-15 needs to drop around 5-11 chaff, something with large calibre like the J-11B? (I dont know what CMs it has off the top of my head) should only need to drop 1-2 to match relative “strength”
My experience in the Tornado Gr4 defending against AMRAAMs with the large calibre chaff it carries would support that fact. If anything, I have an easier time to defending in the Tornado Gr4 than I do in the Typhoon (running only BOL Chaff)
Well I mean I seemingly just see it still on me, the missile within 25km can definitely consistently (1 in 2) ignore 5-10 chaff. Further away like 30km it’s way worse, 5 chaff could do it very consistently. But I am in 25 more than 30 if I want to fire back.
i mean I had multiple experiences when I got rid of all my chaff and it’s still on me. I didn’t do alt change in tests though cause that ruins the point.
IDK how well it actually works, I just chaff in bursts of 2-3 until the missile is either obviously behind me or it’s lost completely.
There are dozens of factors.
Ive defeated an R-77-1 with a handful of BOL chaff, and othertimes its taken 100s
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I dont see an issue, you fired a missile at low speed at a target that was a higher altitude than you. Those are not optimal conditions to begin with as clearly shown in the display to the right of the radar panel. You were no where near the LSZ (launch success zone) (the box) and thus if the target changed direction signficantly, it would be unlikely to hit.
If you had waited longer (even just a few seconds and fired after the target had changed directions) or gained more speed before firing, it would have easily hit.
I could replicate this with AMRAAM fairly easily.
Also… My god Id kill for half the Su-30’s radar performance on the Typhoon. You never once lost track of the target, in the Typhoon Id have spent most of that time just trying to relock the target, or just switching to a hard lock
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