fighting in a leo 2 with more armor than the baseline 2a4 (so, for instance, a 2pl or a 2a4m or a 2a5+) basically requires no thought. you just kinda win
to be clear, this isn’t an accusation against german/swede tree players, this is my experience from the 2pl and 2a4m
So any up armored leo is easier to kill?
gripen E, Finnish hornet, and f35
the uparmored leos are uparmored enough that you won’t immediately die all the time.
when i said “fighting in a leo 2 … requires no thought” i meant playing it, not killing it
their turret rings are minimal and especially some of the hulls on these things are great and trolly. they’re the best tanks in war thunder*
(japanese 4 sec autoloader tanks can be better as they allow more lethality in less time ofc, abrams also shoot faster but have far less effective armor and american teams just crumble, but on balance, leo2a7/strv122a/pso/whatever are the best tanks in the game currently. honorable mention to the challenger ii black knight as its aps can shoot down apfsds and that lets the vehicle act VERY silly for a short time)
Ok i’ll get the christian II then and the SAAB and i’ll play them with my CV 90105
id recommend getting the T80/ SU39 combo since its pretty good at cas and you never have to deal with the pantsir, tho if you intend to grind air rb id recommend getting a fighter like the mig23 instead.
Do what you can’t help doing. But why you believe the person who doesn’t drive the Leopard himself, only you can know.
I have 1700 battles with the Leopards. And I’m telling you, you’re buying the worst option of all.
I already have the mig-23 so that’s good
Christian II is a normal 2a4, yes? Not survivable like what I describe.
2A4M quite survivable
2a5, 2a6, 2a7, pso, 2pl, etc
2a4 (pzb 123, christian ii, 2a4nl, etc) are NOT particularly well armored. They’re worse tanks than Abrams.
2a4m, 2pl, 2a5/a6/a7 are better.
Type 90 is WAY better. Glass cannon, but a great tank.
You can’t go wrong with Su-39/T80UE1/2S38
“the 2a4s aren’t particularly good, the uparmored ones are”
buys a 2a4
idk man. I don’t even disagree with you, but we might just have to say all leopards are bad to save this guy money
What’s next? Pay GE for extra forum like capacity?
Ok then I won’t, so what should I use for sweden?
Both the top results are the leo 2s. I’m so confused on what yall think is best.
The Leo2s are not all created equal.
Leopard 2A4s have meh armor. it’s there, but they’re not particularly survivable tanks.
The various upgraded Leo 2s that are BEYOND the 2A4 standard in some way (specifically including the Leopard 2PL, the Leopard 2A4M (Canadian), the Leopard 2A5, the Leopard 2A6, the Leopard 2PSO, the Leopard 2A7V, the Leopard 2A7HU, the Leopard 2A5NL, the Leopard 2A6NL, the Strv122A, the Strv122B PLSS, the Strv122B+, and the Finnish Leopard 2A6) are far more survivable tanks and are survivable enough that your armor will troll people far more than the armor of any other tank at top tier that I have used.
Tanks that are NOT super well armored, do NOT have the trolly armor, etc:
Finnish Leo2A4
Strv121
Strv121B Christian II
Leo2A4NL
Hungarian Leo2A4
Leopard 2A4
Leopard 2AV
Leopard 2K
Leopard 2A4 PzBtl 123
These lists are EXHAUSTIVE
Though, if you want to go for Sweden for the sake of going Sweden, and you want a Leopard 2, you don’t have another choice. If you already have the 90105, and you want something to go along with it, the Christian II is your only at or above BR choice.
So long as you’re aware it’s not one of the Good Leo2s, but just one of the baseline ones that’s kinda meh.
Ok, I understand now,.
I mean based off what you said about those leo’s i’m not sure if I want to go sweden anymore lol
So, overall, once you get to Sweden’s top tier, the actual MBTs are great. The Strv122A, B PLSS, B+, 2A6 are all great tanks and that’s 4 great tanks. It’s Meta. But it won’t be at any point until you get there.
The helicopters are lame or pseudohistorical and lame
I’m not a huge fan of the Gripen. I have it in Japan from when they added the Thai tree, and I genuinely prefer to use my F-16A Block 15 OCU despite it not having thermals in the targeting pod. It carries ordnance better, carries fuel better, has more AAMs in any given CAS loadout, and can carry more munitions overall. The only thing Gripen can do for me that F-16A Block 15 OCU can’t is carry the GBU-31 2000lb Mk84 JDAM. Carrying a full CAS load, the only air to air Gripen can carry is two AIM-9Ms. No AMRAAMs.
Now, Sweden will be getting more jets in the future. Namely:
JAS-39E/F Gripen (embiggened, more AAMs, more pylons. Not sure how to feel about it. Will probably feel about it the way I feel about F-16s)
F-18 (probably this update)
F-18s are really cool. Really cool. Super cool. However, all the Swedish premium aircraft are meh or bad.
The choice of tree is really just down to what makes your brain interested.
I’m a USA/Japan main and I’m having a hard time finding anything interesting or crazy enough to venture out of my completed trees in a dedicated grind. France, Italy, China, USSR are all almost interesting enough to make me do it.
