Ok, i’m not to interested in getting the Su-39 for the soul reason that it’s hard to play Strike aircraft at higher BRs. I’ll still consider it though.
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I would avoid the Leo 2.
I can’t do it and I regularly play the German lineup with 2 Leo 2. And I’m always taught otherwise.
You are forced into a very passive playing style. At least when you play alone.
Things work better in a squad. Here you can also play offensively with your mobility in the group.
the tailpipe IRCM and the 104% thrust and the incredible offensive weapons combined with a BR of only 11.3 (F-16C, F-15E are 12.7 in GRB. even A-10C, a far slower and less useful aircraft, is 12.0) and ALWAYS BEING ON THE SAME TEAM AS THE PANTSIR is an incredibly powerful combination.
You’ll have to make sacrifices with the weapons, because it’s a Su-25 variant and they refuse to plumb every pylon for everything
the targeting pod and the radar pod are really heavy and both are dubious. you don’t have thermals.
it’s a shockingly good aircraft for what it looks like. tis all
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hmmm, i’ll wait and see what happens the next update. Maybe we get 12.3 GRB and 0.7 will decompress. Making the leo 2 good again
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fighting in a leo 2 with more armor than the baseline 2a4 (so, for instance, a 2pl or a 2a4m or a 2a5+) basically requires no thought. you just kinda win
to be clear, this isn’t an accusation against german/swede tree players, this is my experience from the 2pl and 2a4m
So any up armored leo is easier to kill?
gripen E, Finnish hornet, and f35
the uparmored leos are uparmored enough that you won’t immediately die all the time.
when i said “fighting in a leo 2 … requires no thought” i meant playing it, not killing it
their turret rings are minimal and especially some of the hulls on these things are great and trolly. they’re the best tanks in war thunder*
(japanese 4 sec autoloader tanks can be better as they allow more lethality in less time ofc, abrams also shoot faster but have far less effective armor and american teams just crumble, but on balance, leo2a7/strv122a/pso/whatever are the best tanks in the game currently. honorable mention to the challenger ii black knight as its aps can shoot down apfsds and that lets the vehicle act VERY silly for a short time)
Ok i’ll get the christian II then and the SAAB and i’ll play them with my CV 90105
id recommend getting the T80/ SU39 combo since its pretty good at cas and you never have to deal with the pantsir, tho if you intend to grind air rb id recommend getting a fighter like the mig23 instead.
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Do what you can’t help doing. But why you believe the person who doesn’t drive the Leopard himself, only you can know.
I have 1700 battles with the Leopards. And I’m telling you, you’re buying the worst option of all.
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I already have the mig-23 so that’s good
Christian II is a normal 2a4, yes? Not survivable like what I describe.
2A4M quite survivable
2a5, 2a6, 2a7, pso, 2pl, etc
2a4 (pzb 123, christian ii, 2a4nl, etc) are NOT particularly well armored. They’re worse tanks than Abrams.
2a4m, 2pl, 2a5/a6/a7 are better.
Type 90 is WAY better. Glass cannon, but a great tank.
You can’t go wrong with Su-39/T80UE1/2S38
“the 2a4s aren’t particularly good, the uparmored ones are”
buys a 2a4
idk man. I don’t even disagree with you, but we might just have to say all leopards are bad to save this guy money
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What’s next? Pay GE for extra forum like capacity?
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Ok then I won’t, so what should I use for sweden?
Both the top results are the leo 2s. I’m so confused on what yall think is best.
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The Leo2s are not all created equal.
Leopard 2A4s have meh armor. it’s there, but they’re not particularly survivable tanks.
The various upgraded Leo 2s that are BEYOND the 2A4 standard in some way (specifically including the Leopard 2PL, the Leopard 2A4M (Canadian), the Leopard 2A5, the Leopard 2A6, the Leopard 2PSO, the Leopard 2A7V, the Leopard 2A7HU, the Leopard 2A5NL, the Leopard 2A6NL, the Strv122A, the Strv122B PLSS, the Strv122B+, and the Finnish Leopard 2A6) are far more survivable tanks and are survivable enough that your armor will troll people far more than the armor of any other tank at top tier that I have used.
Tanks that are NOT super well armored, do NOT have the trolly armor, etc:
Finnish Leo2A4
Strv121
Strv121B Christian II
Leo2A4NL
Hungarian Leo2A4
Leopard 2A4
Leopard 2AV
Leopard 2K
Leopard 2A4 PzBtl 123
These lists are EXHAUSTIVE