Been playing fuso for a week and I dont see a difference. Cruisers still barely scratch the ship, ammoracks arent any more frequent, only repair bug can be pretty irritating. It is funny that now much more cruisers attempt to engage my ship, only to be sunk shortly afterwards lmao
The photo you posted shows the effect of a 1000lb naval bomb, not a ship shell (which could not come from land, could it)
The bomb clearly perforate the deck and exploded inside the ship, as you can tell by the metal bent outward, in a process similar to AP shells. HE shells explode on impact instead.
In addition, USA 1000lb bombs had an equivalent tnt charge of around 300kg. Mutsu HE shells, the biggest actually in game, have less than 50kg, 6 times less than the bomb.
lastly, despite the damage, the ship was perfectly floating, all main guns and turrets were operational and the ship was ultimately repaired.
HE shells, while effective at disabling equipment, causing fire and spreading panic, could not cause serious structural damage on armored targets. SAP and AP shells were used instead, and their effectiveness is more than proved. In fact, large caliber HE shells were never intended for anti ship purpose, but rather for shore bombardment.
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Which is high explosive
6 of those shells hitting, from couple guns can indeed do huge damage because of that
And if this damage caused by HE was below waterline, thing would be dead. It is simply a demonstration of HE power.
You’re saving high explosive shells for other purposes when ap shells can do “good enough”. Ap shells wouldn’t do good enough in shore bombardment, so the compromise makes sense because of that, not because he shells aren’t good enough.
HE shells don’t go through armour like you’re suggesting.
The shrapnel changes are a great fix/buff for HE, but shots ignoring armour is simply a bug, and will obviously be fixed.
No they would blow up a hole as bombs do. You just need enough of that high explosive :)
Ship metals aren’t special, they aren’t exempt from the effects of high explosives.
You can find all the excuses you want: the damage shown in the photo you posted is caused by an explosion INSIDE the ship by a bomb several times bigger than any HE shell ever built. Not even a 470mm HE shell from Yamato would be able to deal that kind of damage.
HE shells DO NOT penetrate the armor and, instead, explode externally, causing only minor damage to ship structure. This is the reason they were not used in anti ship role. Not because “they were too effective” as you’re suggesting.
AP rounds, despite containing way less explosive charge, were way more effective in killing ships than HE rounds.
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Except if you fire all of your large calibre cannons you’re going to have same amount of HE coming out (and hitting)
They don’t need to penetrate if they can blow the metal apart, but the fact that AP shells are good enough means they can save HE shells for shore bombardment. HE can perform anti ship and anti shore while AP can only perform anti ship
…that’s not how that works. Please, if you don’t understand something, ask questions instead of making statements.
stacked amounts of explosives do increase the strength over that of typical single small explosive round
no, they don’t.
bombs don’t do that neither. Naval bombs are designed to penetrate the deck AND THEN explode. This is the way you deal damage. Not even a nuclear bomb could sink an armored ship. Literally tested after the war.
Ship metal isn’t special. Is just very thick. And high explosive was never that effective in the first place. That’s why we invented HEAT and AP shots.
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If that nuclear bomb hit the water line instead of being far away it would definetly have killed the ship. Ofcourse if your explosives are far from the armor they are less likely to damage it lol.
The metal would have absolutely been in pieces. The test was more about wether the shockwave can kill a ship not the crude explosive power at center
What do you think torpedos do to ships with their high explosive power?
There is no way you could hit the same spot with more shells at the same time. It’s impossible even with modern tecnology.
They need to penetrate to deal damage to a ship. This idea you have you could crack open a 200/250mm armor wall and then tore apart 4 o 5 decks with an (ore more) HE shell is just wrong.
HE shells can’t sink an armored target. It never happened in real life and they were never designed for that purpose. And, again, it’s not because they wanted to save them for other missions.
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Even with 1-2meters of deviation the explosives are going to explode same time around the same area which will send the shockwave directly over the area instead of having to go through air, that will often damage if not outright destroy armor. Lets also not forget that the huge amounts of generated heat will weaken the armor directly due to thermal effects. fractures can come, defects will surface. You wont need too a million hits to kill that armor.
Simply because they were preferred to be used on shore bombardment. Some people acted as if you cant kill mbts with smaller HE than typical of that to artillery yet ukrainians did it. Until then it “hasnt happened” with these modern vehicles.
Naval mines also exist and they were made as HE instead of directed HEAT that would penetrate, even in modern times.
It is simply easier to just save money to use AP for antiship instead of HE for everything. Much of that explosive filler could be used for other roles that was saved because ap was good enough.
Somewhat similar effects but saving tons of money and filler for other purposes is very logical. You’re expected to be able to get a kill either way
You’re, again, just ignoring the facts that do not fit your wrong belief.
Torpedoes have TNT charges way bigger than HE shells, some of them more than 500kg, 10 times the Mutzus hell, and they hit the ship underneat it, not over it. Additionaly, most of the damage caused by the torpedo is due to the fact that the water is displaced from underneat the ship, causing it to bend in a way the ship is not designed to and crack under its own weigth.
At last, many ships resisted several torpedo hit, proving, again, that explosion outside the protective shell of a ship are not that effective at sinking them.
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Please stop, it’s painful seeing this degree of confidently incorrect.
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All of your ship guns firing will have similar amounts of HE.
Except they have to combat anti torpedo armor and overcome it (which they actually often do)
Yes because there is water between that you can’t get rid of, however similar effect comes from HE being in direct contact with metal, it is going to over stress the metal and your metal is going to crack like a tincan. If the torpedo was dropped from air onto the ship the explosive power would be enough to make a big hole in the armor. penetrating bombs were only used because a hole on the top generated by HE was not as useful as in the inside while on the waterline this hole would cause the ship to sink
And many armored ships have resisted AP shells, bounced them and otherwise trashed them demonstrating that AP is not always going to do the damage you want it to.
If only pictures exist of treaty cruisers being hit by 14" explosive shells.
I’ll throw in some 8" action as well
45 hits plus numerous small caliber hits, she was riddled with shrapnel and throughout it she fought until both sides withdrew and then sailed back to the US under her own power.
Had it actually been a AP shell that hit the barbette the end result would have been veryyyyy different.
Although SAN FRANCISCO suffered heavy personnel casualties and extensive, though not vital, material damage as described above, she continued in the battle to its conclusion. Two of her three turrets remained in operation. Five-inch AA guns No. 3, 4, and 5 were put out of action by damage from hits during the engagement. The other five guns, however, were operable although personnel casualties prevented their immediate use. All means of exterior communication were out of commission. Some difficulty was experienced in the operation of the after engine room due to heat as discussed in paragraph 66, but the main machinery plant itself was undamaged.
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we are talking about large cannons, it’s as if you said that 380mm sturmtiger shell can’t kill a tiger 2 because a 20mm HE shell won’t do anything to the armor.
However metal will always have a point where it will die from a certain explosive power regardless of how much you have it which is why ship guns never became 820mm, they never needed to. Even bombs mostly stick to same sizes because they can overcome everything when they are big enough, regardless
oh, well 1-2meters. tipical dispersion for high caliber guns were 150/200m at 15km. Even more for low caliber. 1-2 meters are totally feasable indeed.
No, again, you’re just ignoring facts. No one would “save HE for other time” while engaging an enemy ship. AP were, and are, simply more effective. Which is the reason they were used and are still used now.
But at this point, if you want also deny that the water is wet just because you can’t admit you’re wrong, be my guest.
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