The F-4S and F-4J UK have long been popular premiums for grinding and the f-4J and Phantoms FG.1 and FGR.2 are the only british tech tree phantoms, and all aircraft are at 12.0 where they can face MiG-21 Bisons with R-73s and R-27s, F-16s, F-15As, and a lot of other 4th gen and late 3rd gen aircraft which outclass it and even fox-3 carriers such as DI Viggens, AV-8B+s, F-14s and and F-4F KWS. Should the BR be lowered as a lot of people have already bought F-4S/F-4J (UK) and it feels like they got ripped off
The F-4S is good at 12.0, and the J(UK) either needs to go down in BR, or get Aim-9Ls.
Would be interesting to see how the fgr2 and fg1 do at 11.7
The nice thing about having both. 1 could get 9Ls the other could get a BR reduction
What can you say are the good things about it at that br. Because the airframe is not as good and MiG-23MLs are at a lower br with all aspect missiles and longer range IR missiles (R-24T)
They are fine where they are, their biggest issues is the players using it as bombers only to die like a idiot going blind as they approach a base
Sure, give F-4FG1 AIM-9Ls and move it to 12.3 with the Mig-21Bison.
They’re balanced at 12.0 right now.
So It is better to use sparroows at the start other than to bomb 1.5 bases and then go into the game and pick up 3rd party kills with MSLs
F-4S has one of the best gen3 airframes while also having the strongest radar/sarh missile combo at the BR while still having 4 IR missiles. 23ML has a slightly better FM but far worse radar, SARH missiles are technically better in a direct comparison to the 7F sparrow but the radar means its functionally worse while also only having 2 R-24s to the F-4S’s 4 sparrows. R-24Ts are also quite useless in most cases as they are too short range to really be capable of ambush shots outside of the target’s perspective and also lack IRCCM to avoid flares while shot at longer ranges.
R-60Ms are also not that good.
Never carry bombs myself due to weight
I also considered that kind of gameplay. I do so on the Sea Vixen as i take Red Tops and only when my team is winning i take bombs (still with 2 or 4 missiles tho). Maybe its better to base bomb when you get uptiered to 12.7/13.0 (if the enemies dont have us 12.7 then its better)
I think more than half my kills in the UK Phantoms is people going bombing, they flat out refuse to try to stray away from their course from a base so often.
Not a good idea when facing PD radars
Thanks, I was considering it as well as the A-10 but the F-4S offers better rewards and more missile gameplay like you will get in top tier (13.7-14.0)