As from the start of the 6.0 brs you can see a very common trend
This game states to be historical accurate but balanced gameplay.
Heres the comparison
Nato tanks at 6 brs have better armour and better gun and fast reload plus better gun handling chareteristic compare to the same br
Example
is 2 is of non nato country see the Armor and penetrations and reload and gun handling compared to the tiger 2. You will find that nato has superior
Ussr tech isn’t compensated for worst gun depression and reload.
Now with aircraft of nato nation have better armament and flight characteristics at same br
Eg
j8 family china doesn’t have it’s missiles and radar and ground ordinance but at same br all nato planes have better missiles radar ground ordinance.
Su 27 flight model is bad and r77 is suffering but nato nation have the best missiles and flight characteristics
Av8b plus has 4 aim 120 plus hover and sits at 13.0 but all the other planes of non nato nations have obsolete missiles at same br of 13.0
Nato planes also at higher br can carry more the 6 missiles but non nato planes are allowed 2 of 4
Eg
f15 8 fox 3
Su 27 6 fox 3
J8f 2 fox 3
This is unfair and not compensated
Even the f14s are to op and have better missiles and avionics that same br counter parts
I can state a lot of other examples but this is a fact
If you agree you can add to the comparison
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The IS-2 is just overtiered (it’s one of the only Russian tanks that is, though).
Better armor at nearly every BR is not enough?
It carries 10 missiles, and before ARHs were added it could carry six of the most OP missiles in the game. If its flight model wasn’t nerfed, it would have been literally broken.
Its modeled incorrectly.
Its subsonic.
Which non-NATO subsonic jets with ARHs exist in game currently?
Oh wow, just like the F-15A/J before ARHs were added, as they could carry less missiles than the Su-27.
This gets a lower BR than 13.7, it is compensated for the lack of missiles.
A 17G missile is better than the ones at its BR?
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All the problem is with the non nato tech tree and mains huh?
J 8 f has only pl8 at 13.0 which is obsolete after the pl 12
Pl 12 is the worst fox 3 in the game and j8 f frame is obsolete.
Is2 are the only main heavy of br 6 plus t34 struggle against tiger 2 same is not for panther against t34.
Av8b plus has no justification for 4 aim 120 at br 13 it’s the best missiles and it can hover and stop nothing can get it .
Yeah I get you why not keep the Russians and Chinese obsolete easy game huh …
First compare and understand then try to justify…
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The J8F is at least supersonic, and the PL-12 is not the worst ARH (the Derby is).
I already said that the IS-2 is overtiered, it shouldn’t be that high. Plus, even though they should be moved down, there wouldn’t be a 6.0 BR heavy for Russia because the next IS-series tank shouldn’t be moved down from 7.3.
This is more of an issue with specifically Germany at these mid-to-late WWII BRs, where a good number of their tanks are undertiered largely due to Gaijin using player stats when making balancing decisions. Imo, the Panther D should be moved to 5.7/6.0 and the A/G/F to 6.3.
Except guns and IR missiles.
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J8f has pl 8 for missiles except the pl12
All other planes at 13.0 br have irccm or medium range sarh missiles.
As for av8b plus it gets two kill guarantee easily
J8f struggles against f14s.
Ah yes. The Tiger II. The best tank NATO had in a while. When you talk WW2 it is Western block, Axis and eastern block. Not NATO.
When the Su-27 had the most op missiles in the game is was never a problem, right? Now that NATO jets get a missile that can be compared to the R-27ER back in its days it’s op.
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Who said there was no complain there was always but it’s now all the nato country starting from br 6 have been under tierd and better equipped.
This is very bad at 13.0 brs where the air battles end in super long range so this my complain.
J8f can’t do anything at 13.0 with two pl 12 and obsolete pl8. It suffers against br12 forget br 13.
Su27 and variations have bad flight performance plus less missiles compared to f15 …it’s like 6 vs 8 …where the aim 120 is the best.
Now I am complaining.
;)
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3, 2, 1 … expect Alvis soon
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5.3 & 6.3:
Spoiler
T-34s have mobility.
IS-2 is also more mobile than Tiger 2.
And @Oldie-SE coming in to defend Soviets from criticism with their off-topic nonsense.
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Better mobility like 30 percent faster as per real documentation the tiger 2 was barely mobile and would break down
Leave the gun depression aside the have a pen of 230 +mm and are nearly invincible at long range
Also is2 had a ace up its sleeve see the 122 mm was not for a big sound it would fracture the tank if it hit even if it did not penetrate this is not modelled in war thunder and the tiger 2 is very mobile.
As per the reply i see you are already biased…not cool bro.
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I just said you were about to turn up. Please show me the part where I defend something …
Tiger II and the all the other Nato tanks have a Deppresion advantage thus there more fitted to gaijins bad Map design.
The T-34( The american one) IS THE SAME BR AS THE IS-2 1944, it has a 283MM PEN shell more high pen one 15S SECONDS of Reload, AND BETTER ARMOR, 810HP THUS FASTER
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The track links of Tiger 2 were the weakest component.
When fixed, which is what the Soviets did with their T-34s… FIX them.
The only reason Germans didn’t fix Tiger 2 was lack of funding, which Soviets had in droves.
I have no bias.
@mm10000
The gun depression argument doesn’t work as much as you think it does.
T tanks perform identically on mozdok as British tanks.
Same goes for Red Desert, and others.
American T34 is the slowest, among the lower armored, and doesn’t have filler in the round.
IS-2 1944 has more armor than T34 while being significantly faster.
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Is 2 has become the weakest of the heavy tank at 6.0 br it has bad pen and paper armour plus long reload.
Depression is so bad that normal ground rubble can put off your aim
Plus nato tanks easily engage from higher position.
Come on man try to justify by facts
IS-2 Weak spot list
1)
Lower plate
2) if it isn’t facing you directly it has a upper-frontal plate weak spot
3) Turret Checks
4) Commander cap
5)Lowe turret shot trap
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Don’t forget all armour are below 200 mm so every thing can pen it unless skill issue and shooting at side glaces of turret armour.
Tiger 2 front weak spot … Machine gun port and turret faces from short distance
From front
Error 404 no weak spot found
Also Germany has a unfair advantage of “Removed” tanks and the E-100
The E-100 coundn’t support it’s maus turret the 3 removedd german tank can be still used.
Why the USSR with it’s object 292 didn’t recieve the T-80BV Era in it’s hull?
Also the 292 Could Easly use the T-80BVM Outer protection, it’s electronics could possibly
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Yes and no
There is a glitch actually it does not show my gain account it confuse my gaijin account with a Google account.
