The N1K, a plane with 4.3 flight performance at best, is commonly facing P-51H, Spitfire Mk.24, L-39AZ, Strikemasters, and WW2 jets. This plane in my opinion should be below the A7M2 in the the tech tree, (don’t change the A7M2s BR i swear) as it’s inferior in almost every aspect. N1K1 also shares these issues but less severe. A6Ms suffer similarly but can be used. The N1K has NO strengths at it’s BR besides guns, which aren’t even superb for 6.0 with 30mm galore.
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The N1K is fine where it is
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At best it would be 5.7, the type 99’s are alright— not that awful and the belts are superb. Its FM is average but it still packs a punch, obviously it can’t go pound for pound with early jets but it going to 5.3?
It would dominate that already clunky BR. Props should be decompressed the same way jets do because the A7M2, Ki-84, and the N1K1 at 5.3 dominate (runner up would be the J2M.) Putting the N1K2 at 5.3 will just make Japan more dominant.
Edit: Look I’m sorry, but putting something down because its struggling to fight up is how we got Sabre’s and MiG’s fighting the cesspit that is 7.0-8.0
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Armament and turn rate are irrelevant if everyone out climbs and out-runs you by a massive margin
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The average thunder player can’t even energy fight right. I’ve fought people that still stuck trying to out-turn me in an N1K2Ja.
One bad pass and they can say bye bye to their tail controls.
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One bad pass means it’s only useful if the opponent is an idiot, that’s not a reliable way to use a plane, or to balance it.
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I agree, the average player is poo poo caca. It’s the reason why the balance is a cesspit. And unfortunately Gaijin has to cater to them. I don’t know what you’re trying to get to me here. I 100% think the N1K2 is too high. But until then we’re going to have to wait for another round of BR changes to suggest it.
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Unfortunately for a plane with average performance, it’s what we have to make do. Even it at 5.7 it’s still going to suffer.
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This is a problem to so many other planes too but it doesn’t matter. The player who is able to fly his plane around it’s strength, wins or don’t die.
5.7 would be fair, everything below would be criminal.
This is the key to fair battles.
You serious?
6.3 and under-BR’d, 6.7, 6.7.
P-51H has the best turn rate of over 22 degrees per second though its turn circle is notably larger than N1K2.
P51H’s sustained climb rate is over 28 meters per second.
N1K2 is >21 deg/sec.
Sustained climb rate of over 24 meters per second.
P51H is the best prop climber above 6.0, and it’s ~4 meters per second more.
Running away doesn’t win matches.
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It’s 6.0 because it has 4x 20mm. That’s pretty much it.
N1K2’s are essentially worse J2M2’s/Ki-84 Ko’s.
Those were/are at around the 4.3-5.3 bracket, I see no reason why the N1K2’s can’t be 5.0 with that flight performance. It’s mostly a Yak-9U / BF 109G-6 / P-51D-30 counterpart.
To put things into perspective, here’s the actual stats:
N1K2-Ja:
- 556 km/h @ 700m
- 622 km/h @ 5000m
- 22.1 m/s climb rate
- 15:71s turn time
Yak-9U
- 581 km/h @ 700m
- 654 km/h @ 5000m
- 21.4 m/s climb rate
- 15:73s turn time
Ki-84 Ko
- 595 km/h @ 700m
- 663 km/h @ 5000m
- 21.4 m/s climb rate
- 15:10s turn time
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I wouldn’t take statcards at face value. The N1K2-J turns as hard as the Ki-84, but has worse energy retention and the automatic flaps refuse to deploy until well under their speed limits.
I agree it’s too slow to really do much at 6.0, you need people to come to you and give you a chance at killing them.
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honestly, spaded them both. I didnt feel like they were under performing at their BRs.
They could maybe go down a step to 5.7, but 4.3? haha no.
They are still great turnfighters, the Type 99s pack a big punch and you have heaps of ammo.
They’re definitely better than say the A6M5s.
Why?
Edit: This thread is packed full of people who put way too much faith in simply turning and ignore the large issues with the plane otherwise.
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Because I played them all and spaded 2 of them. They could go down to 5.7 but they do alright at their current BR
The only reason they do decently is due to the BR being mostly lower skill players who will lean into your strengths heavily. They don’t stand the test when you find anybody with brains
And so your main goal is to put it hella into a BR where alot of noobies will lean more to your strengths. Look I fully agree it should go down to 5.7, but you’re being a bit biased when planes like the A7M2 and Ki-84’s are overall better than it.
Sure, bring it to 5.3, but these 2 will go up then.
But yet again, prop decompression.
I’ve only ever seriously advocated for decompression.
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I’m an idiot, i thought i was talking to OP. I apologize lmao
This is a fact to most of japanese props, but no problem in general.