Nor do any light tanks at or around this BR, the 2S38 is not unique because it cant take a hit
It makes you a substantially smaller target to see and to hit, this is a notable advantage given the remote turret that not all AFVs at this BR have, many you have to expose yourself far more to do the same that the 2S38 can. The remote turret also means that no crew is lost if only the turret is hit
100m
500m
Ajax
156mm
150mm
PUMA
120mm
114mm
CV90
113mm
108mm
(CV90 uses Bushmaster which is common on a lot of vehicles, including the Namer-30 at 11.3)
STRF 90C
169mm
163mm
2S38
222mm
210mm
Bag-57
133mm
119mm
2S38 has substantially more powerful ammo at this BR. Unless im mistaken, the only autocanon that beats it, is the HSTVL at 12.0 and that only has 273mm at 100m. Not that much more.
Fire rate isnt listed on the wiki for autocanons, but it seems fairly decent to me, certainly not RADEN slow, but maybe beaten out by the other AFVs. but They have limited ready racks. Ive been caught out a few times in the Ajax where ive needed to stop and hide somewhere to let the ready rack reload, 2S38 has an essentially unlimited ready rack as its the full belt.
It appears to have the exact same aircraft tracker as the Ajax, cant comment on the others, but I dont think its universal. This gives the 2S38 a great ability to deal with helis, low flying jets and drones, especially combined with the HE-VT
Some like the Ajax have HE-TF and AHEAD, others like the PUMA only have AHEAD. This does give the 2S38 a lot of ability to play flexi role. HE-TF works but no where near as good as HE-VT. The larger round also likely makes quite a difference in terms of AA
So… When directly compared to its competition, its either identical or a lot stronger. Especially its darts which are incredibly strong for an autocanon vehicle. The fact its only now going up to 10.7 and only 10.7 is actually kinda insutling.
If you consider the 2S38 so bad, maybe its not the 2S38 being bad that is at fault
compare the strf 9040c to the 2s38. 50 pen less, 26 round ready rack and slow reload, 2/3 crew in turret, better fire rate but worse postpen. and only gets -3 more depression. Clearly far inferior and shouldn’t be at the same br.
Ive fought it and I have common sense, but the fact you defaulted to attacking my stats instead of answering the question I shall assume you have no answer to my question and are like most Soviet mains just wanting to keep their under BRed vehicles under BRed
Why should an AFV with substantially more pen than nearly any other autocanon tank in-game not be at a higher BR than it is currently. Why would an Autocanon tank with over 200mm of pen not be appropriate for 11.0 when there are tanks with barely a 100mm of pen currently at 11.3?
And this tank is good on paper but in practice it isn’t.
You’ve “fought” the most easily killable tank in top tier and you consider it “undertiered” its pure skill issue and ur stats don’t lie
Substantially more pen doesn’t mean JACK because you still have to aim for weakspots like every other IFV. Funny how you don’t mention the absolute lack-luster post penetration. Wonder why. Couldn’t it possibly be that you have no experience playing the thing?
Other light tanks have this thing called MOBILITY. 23s8 is slower than every mbt and has no armor or surivability. Other IFVs have the engine in the front which can actually tank a shot unlike the 2s38 which has saturn sized ammorack with 3 leg touching crew members
Doesn’t matter, people can still knock out your cannon, vertical and horizontal drive and ammorack you. On top of that your gun depression is shit as well.
Not fast enough. 0.5 seconds isn’t fast enough to disable cannons reliably. Combined with the shitty post pen and surviability you are basically food for abrams and leo2a4s which is 90% of the competition you’re gonna face.
90% of the time you’re gonna be fighting tanks and dying to them.
Begleitpanzers and strf9040s are way better vehicles for their respective brs.
Actually give me a genuine valid reason why its any worse than anything else at or around that BR?
And why is it easier to kill than any other light tank at or around that BR. Again the issue isnt its survivability anymore, Its the fact it has substantially more powerful gun than anyone else.
Oh no, soviet main having to aim for a weakspot.
That is just hilarious. have you actually played it or just making stuff up now?
a tank with worse pen
163mm vs 210mm
tiny ammo rack
24 rounds vs 148 rounds
no remote turret
A hit to turret will not just disable the gun, but likely kill 2/3 crew
2S38 is NOT OP for sure. Sure, it has 57mm autocannon with decent penetration, but it’s still a glass cannon. Remote turret doesn’t help, because unlike the BMPT, if you shoot the ammo belt in the turret it goes boom.
If you’re playing MBT against 2S38, the only scenario where it can kill you is when you:
a) miss your shot
b) it catches you from the side
both are applicable to MBTs aswell
Crew is positioned in a way that you can kill it no problem, even if you go center mass shot you still hit the ammo which makes it go boom. All it takes is knowledge. Just look how this thing is built via in-game x-ray mode and that alone makes you prepared against 2S38.
It is capable of doing AA role - it’s very effective against helicopters. You can even shoot down jets - this is if they are unaware, flying straight and not keeping any distance from the battlefield area.
I’m talking from experience, because I played 2S38 a lot. Any conscious and aware player will take you out without a sweat.
Non-existent surivability, appallingly bad mobility (for a light tank), slow rate of fire and weak post pen. Your reload rate is too slow to disable cannons and your post pen is too weak to kill in 1 shot.
You simply do not have the time to sit there and aim and spam weakspots meanwhile everyone else just has to hover their mouse over you and you’re dead. And you don’t have the mobility to flank. Nor small size to play like a rat.
Reload rate is irrelevant if you’re gonna die in the 1st shot exchange (which you will).
Like I said… and yes it has to do with survivability. Huge size, ammorack and 3 leg touching crew members. You simply cannot tank a shot in this thing.
Lol. I have reached rank 8 in US, Germany, Russia, Sweden, Japan and rank 7 with UK and Italy. But go ahead, call me however you want, whatever makes you sleep better at night.
Why is the concept of mobility so hilarious to you? Look up my stats if it’s so beyond your comprehension.
Nice cherry picking.
Pen is irrelevant, you still have to aim for weakspots.
irrelevant, again
I already explained how that doesn’t mean anything. Why are you so stubborn? Do you even read what I’m writing?
Still has way higher chance of survival than the 2s38 lol
Yes. You got one thing right. It’s slower but can eat a shot if you’re lucky.
Better survivability, gun depression and most importantly way higher rate of fire. You can actually disable cannon barrels with this tank.
Its average, but has the advantage of an unlimited ready rack, no reload like other light tanks.
Post pen damage is directly porportional to pen. A round with higher pen will usually always have better post pen damage.
Its not
So why have i been one shotted loads of time?
Then can all other AFV/IFVs that have the exact same problems get 220mm pen rounds and unlimited ready racks?
Because the 2S38 is faster than most MBTs and light tanks :D
You picked the cherry
how is it not relevant?
A remote turret still means a smaller target in hulldown, given the BR, you will mostly face tanks with no TVD or only Gen 1 TVD. spotting a hulldown 2S38 turret is extremely hard. This gives a significant advantage at times. 2S38 is a monster in hulldown and more powerful in open ground than most light tanks due to its increased firepower.
How?
So can the 2S38 though?
How?
3 degree difference
for 24 rounds, then substantially slower.
and you can with the 2S38. Stop pretending you cant.
As you have switched to insulting me I will assume you have no counter agument and have therefore agreed with my point that hte 2S38 deserves to be at 10.7 or 11.0 and you like many others, just want to keep OP premiums at low BRs where they can continue to cause problems