Id suggest not arguing with Alvis as he tends to either ragebait or is clueless. Plus his BR arguments are probably the most logically incompetent ones that are always going to boil down to “no XYZ cant go up in BR because then you have to bring up ZYX” which is just not how balancing works.
This is like bread and butter of every BR argument ive seen on the forums with him so you are just wasting your time to bother discussing anything with him.
The change to the 2S38 for 10.7 is very welcomed one, id say it could go up even higher to 11.0 and still perform fine.
Defensively the 2S38 is the same as every single other light tank where if an MBT looks at you you die or yu can get overpressured by ATGMs, basically common with like 90% of light tanks ingame.
Offensively on the other hand the 2S38 has so much going for it, great gun, great dart, IRST, very good RoF, HEVT with great muzzle velocity and fuze range, LWS and huge ready rack.
Its basically a glass cannon, to the point where you can use it pretty reliably at 13.0 against top tier tanks without much loss of offensive capability. The module addition and change has made it more fragile (compared to the old days where it basically had void armor) but its killing potential is still stellar with that 57mm dart and massive ready rack
I think the best description of 2S38 ive heard about is from BPA_Jon iirc which if i remember correctly from his vid sounded something like “its an annoying vehicle to play and an annoying vehicle to play against” paraphrased.
Its fragile and the russian gun depression sometimes limits you unlike stuff like HSTVL for example but on the other hand your ability to kill things is really good and can punish really hard.
lol Su-24M is inferior to F-111F, handily.
HQ17 doesn’t have 17km range missiles to deal with F-111F.
Su-24M engagement range is ~9km.
TV guided lock range is 3 - 6km, and IR guided lock range is 13 - 15km.
The Soviet counterpart to F-111F would be a Mig-27 using Kh-38MT… which doesn’t exist.
And that’d still be slightly more powerful than the F-111F.
@kedrigern
You probably shouldn’t attack people that demanded 2S38 to 10.7 while agreeing with them.
Especially when your views represent my views on many issues…
At 10.3 you have access to a very strong lineup for the br, putting the 2s38 up isnt really a big nerf to the 2s38 itself but a nerf to the russian 10.3 lineup which does need the nerf
Idk who in their right mind would ever fire a maverick from 17km ever and expect to hit anything. Track range is somewhere around 11km with IR mavs, but the mavericks lose so much speed from even the 11km range where its open to interception that a tunguska that sits at 10.7 has 0 issues intercepting every single maverick. Which makes them getting fired from 17km supposedly even more stupid of a statement.
Su24M engagement range is not 6km, thats the approximate track range of 29TDs. You can fire them from much further via point lock and they fly much faster than other non-russian missiles.
the soviet counterpart to aardvark is the fencer. I dont understand from what hole you thought a flogger is the same as an aardvark but it once again speaks volumes about you. And comparing a flogger with 38MTs (which is even dumber) to an aardvark with 6 mavericks and saying it would be “slightly more powerful” than an aardvark again shows that you have no fucking clue what youre talking about and are using the forums to either ragebait or waste everyones time.
Go gaslight someone who cares. Your views and my views on “many issues” are far from the same. And its not an attack, its an observation. You are incompetent when it comes to making a sound and logical argument like 99% of time. Arguing with you on or off forums is just a waste of time.
lol, the only reason the 2S38 is so low is cuz of its negative statistics, so many premium players repeatedly dying. A decent player would have no problem playing it at 11.0 or higher
I never really considered it overpowered, just annoying and honestly this makes little difference except it will no longer see 2nd gen MBTs like the Leo 1A5.
It doesnt need to. If you launch stuff from 17km it will either miss / fall somewhere early / get intercepted thanks to low speed. Hq17 can plant box at some neat spot and eliminate all your munitions launched from that range until match ends.
