And at what B.R. we can see them? Same as A-10A?
11.0 at minimum (Su-25BM - Kh-29TE, MiG-27M - Kh-29T)
nice troll post. The pantsir has a pesa radar, multiple targeting capabilities and multiple simultaneous engagement capabilities, has guns for close range, irst, way faster missiles, and infinitely more range. The tansam has a very good missile, no radar, less range, is a dedicated AA that cannot engage ground target, even for self defense and has limited range, and less ammo.
Yea, Which is why a lot of us are not happy with this +0.3 Br raise. Pantsir can down a heli a lot easier and faster too than Type 81 C. If anything it should be 0.7 Br gap from the Strela since they perform very similar.
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I think the Pantsir should go up to 12.3, the ADATS / ITO should go to 12.0, and then keep the BR of the tansam at 11.3.
Raise most of the Top Tier MBTs to 12.0 / 12.3 too (decompression).
the only thing better on the type 81C is the 3g overload over the pantsir missile (35g vs 32g). it’s already moronic that the tunguska is lower than it, being able to kill silently anything that flies thanks to it’s irst (wich is basically having a long range non-detectable and non-flareable guided missile).
You’re forgetting that the type 81c’s missile is IR-guided, so you do not have to guide it in once you fire it, unlike the pantsir. You can fire multiple and run to cover, but you cannot do that with the pantsir.
Tunguska’s missiles are abysmal and are only reliable at taking down distracted or very slow jets or helicopters.
pantsir is very fine where it is, the only problem is the lack of counterparts on other nations. Things like fox3 spaas, like the amraam or mica launcher spaa would very easily negate (plane wouldn’t be able to play, but that’s their problem.
Pantsirs against 10.7 aircraft doesn’t seem to make sense.
And since there are no counterparts on other nations, it would be best to actually disperse their battle ratings instead of keeping all top-tier SACLOS SPAA at the same BRs as each other.
The Flarakrad being the same BR as the Pantsir makes no sense, but I don’t think moving the flarakrad down to 11.3 would make anything better. (10.3 A-10 against VT-1s 🗿)
mavericks and other lang range tv guided (and don’t forget the laser guided stuff) starting at 10.3 (or even below?) doesn’t seem to make sense either.
That is true, I don’t think the A-6E, AMX, or A-10 should be allowed to run rampant at 10.3 (unless they meet fighters with flares).
But I also don’t think they should be able to fight Pantsirs or (maybe) even Tunguskas if they were to go up to 10.7.
That’s why I’m saying move the Pantsirs up, as well as other pretty powerful SPAAs, and then we can start to move up the 10.3 CAS up too.
I think Type 81(C) should be moved to 12.7 and Pantsir to 10.0 to accommodate very good and delightful premium cash grab even more.
agm65D on the 10.3 a10A/late, so an ir f&f maverick. Of course the pantsir would be very fine at this br, it’s job is to make sure CaS doesn’t run rampant. The only problem is that it’s one sided, and that it allows for russian CaS to run rampant. What is needed is more pantsir like vehicles on other nations, not less pantsir.
that will only happen when air and ground rb BR for planes are separated. Or when gaijin accept to stop cashing on broken CaS with broken missiles at way too low br, allowing them to be very competitive no matter you play air or ground.
A-10 against a Pantsir is a joke.
Sure, the Pantsir will make sure CAS doesn’t run rampant, but one pantsir-like vehicle on both teams means no CAS whatsoever at those BRs, unless somehow the pantsirs get overwhelmed.
This is indeed a joke.
No move pantsir to 1.0
Because its the only source that collates a large enough quantity of player data (other than that Heatmap one, but iirc even that feeds off of TS data) that is available to us. No one has thus far created anything more reliable.
The caveats with it are a) the pool is limited because you effectively have to opt-in/update your statistics on requests, and b) it is known to be skewed because it only pulls a certain demographic of player.
Gaijin is so horrified at the idea of providing their own stats to justify something, hence we use Thunderskill.
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No the upper BR limit for tanks should be raised to 12.0 and this moved up to 12.0.
why not just match whats on the Air TT? Be more simple that way.