uh-huh. Olifant certainly has no Dm63… Not even ingame yes
Yes, but i referred to Olifant. tho the DM33 is still pretty enough to take down the “moster” 80UD. It gets penned in same places with closely same damage with each shot from DM33 105mm to DM63 105mm. Only the M900 gets better pen places as can shoot it`s hull through. Then the DM13+ of the 120mm cannon deal better damage.
I mean. You guys sound like you dont even play the game, wtf.
Odd to see it on the Olifant when virtually none of the top tier tanks have it, nor DM73.
Also, nah with that pen you still very much have to aim. As for “not playing the game”. Scalping the T80UD is very much luck dependent, and rare results in a one shot. Lower front plate is often times simply not visible and drivers hatch is volumetric fun.
Saying “folks not playing the game” is rich when you basically only play low tier. Have you ever even encountered these tanks in game? And go out of your way to ignore that normally these tanks are moving, and well shooting back.
Its 105mm round, not 120mm one.
And TAM 2C had it since forever? Boxer MGS as well?
DM63 was the standard ammo for Leo 2s since 2005. It doesn’t just exist for 105mm.
well hush, the Olifant wields an 105mm L7 cannon. Its obvious that it has different ammunition type than 120mm Rheinmetal.
Several other tanks use the DM63 too. Plus some use M900 which is much better.
Of course you are, you are to aim at ANY tank ingame lol. ESPECIALLY with T-80UD as 7s reload is death sentence if you dont kill the breech or destroy the gunner AND commander.
No, its skill dependent. Its easiest kill for one who aims well and fast.
good joke ig?
Im not to judge you as your stats arent visible but accusing me of only playing low tier when in my top-10 most played tanks are Abrams, Turms-T and Type 74G and AMX-30S is hilarious. I equally love the mid- and top- tier. excluding the TOP-top tier that is unplayable as the amount of F-N-F ammunition aviation carries.
“Skill dependent”, yes I am indeed the one who decides how tall my tank is, and what kind of ground we’re fighting on. Pretending that it’s one of the weakspots that isn’t always accessible same for lower front plate is quite telling.
Also, the T80UD does not have to aim currently against many of it’s opponents. Because it was given a round capable of lol penning most enemies it meets even in 1 step uptiers.
DM63 is licensed M426 shell produced in Germany to my knowledge.
uhm… yes?
You are the one who chooses to where to go xD
UD always shows at least two weakspots. I dunno how you need to play to NOT have a chance to shoot the breech out with shooting mask or roof, or oneshot it using the LFP or driver`s, at the same time.
Its always either ALL or at least HALF of it.
penning, most. Means it certainly does not guarantee the damage enough to stop it from oneshotting you back, and meaning it can bounce from, idk, Leopard 2a4s at the very least. Not even implying ones that sit 11.3 :/
aim is always the key.
Are you talking about 3BM42 per chance?
Yes, yes certainly
And you struggle with 2A4s?
I do struggle with that ammuition in general. Grinding USSR with TURMS-T led me to believ that it has worst damage of all cannons at thy rank. I have less problems with any tank shooting L26s of Challengers.
@Beeschurger It was initially developed as 120mm shell and used on Leo 2s and co until it was replaced with DM73.
“You are the one who chooses where to go”, actually capture points and maps decide that. You are limited in your choice.
“Shoot the breech out”, buddy. If the enemy the T80UD meets need to shoot the breach out and then hope they can advance to finish it off, while the T80UD can lol pen the majority of them you’re already showing a very uneven playing field.
“Penning most”, if you can’t land a disabling if not destroying shot on a tank you can lol pen in the same time you expect those tanks to aim for weakspots that’s once again very telling. Don’t pretend the split seconds disparity to aim and fire doesn’t have an impact.
Also, where did you get “7” seconds reload" from? It has a 6 second reload, stock. That’s the reload time of an ACED Leo 2. And it outr eloads a bunch of 9.3 MBTs by quite a bit too which it used to meet.
Edit, since the thread was closed and Milashy loves to cherry pick:
I love how you keep moving the goal post, and ignore that the T80UD reloads faster than the Leo 2s unless they’re ACED at which point they reload at the same speed. And many 9.3 it used to meet. If Reload is such a big factor, then currently Germany is screwed. They got the longest reloads, only drawing equal to/beating Russia when their crews are ACED.
I’ve given up on doing breach shots on a T-80UD at this point. Wanted to cry one day when my Olifant’s DM63 non-penned the mantle even though it was a well placed shot. Driver’s port? Roll dice on whether or not WT will volumetric the dart or not on it. Its not reliable enough of a weakspot. Was even killed by a T-80UD who I shot in the lower hull plate and my round took out his carousel, didn’t do anything to his ammo inside as the carousel just absorbed the entire round + spalling.
Had a fun one where a T-80 and I traded in my Challenger 2, L27A1 ammo straight to the lower hull plate, takes out the carousel and engine. His shot takes out my track and engine.
I take my second shot because 5s reload ftw to his driver’s hatch only to despair that it non-pens because volumetric is fun and he was able to reload and kill me despite a dead carousel.
There is no way in hell I am going to try and shoot the pixel sized weakspot on the turret roof. If I had taken out his gun would’ve had the chance.
I hate to break it to you but going from 1250 to 1000HP isn’t negligible.
When it comes to long rond APFSDS, only thing affecting spall is residual pen; anything else is placebo.
You might “feel” like it doesnt do as much damage, but code only takes residual pen into account, as per following video:
Higher pen usually means higher residual pen and thus higher “damage”. 3BM42 is better than most of the shells found on the 10.7 contemporaries bar L26.
What exactly is your argument here? DM63 for 105mm exists IRL, its in game. saying it doesnt exist for 105mm is factually wrong.
And that if you can even lay your gun on target with the lethargic brick known as the Olifant. And, just because theoretically a Centurion Mark 3 can kill a T-80UD doesn’t mean it should see it, same goes for Olifant.
limited does not equal obligated, lol.
It still shows that you just dont know how to position yourself, rather sufficient problem
of course, the low survivabiliy, mobility, damage, reload speed and troublesome aim does not cover for “lolpening anything”, sure thing. Even playing field is when leopard and abrams do have better everything AND also lolpen anything, correct?
returning to what i said about UD being easilly penned with concrete consequences to easiest and most memorable weakspots, that saying of yours is even more hillarious.
because
requires as much time to aim as
bruh. Id wish to see your KD ratio on said tanks for sure.
Ah, i did in fact mistook it with T-80B reload time. My apologies. I fogot that they did rebalance the reload time with those canons not while ago.
It being at a lower BR?
