The radars are called slightly different, but I assumed one was just an export variant, but the stat cards are the same in all other respects. Though it doesnt cover everything.
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The MLD? The 23M?
MLD is definetly better. no idea about the M, I think slightly worse
M only have 12 CMs, and only have R23s
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The MiG-23MLD, and MLA are practically identical with minimal differences that should not affect BR.
Yes, you are right, the MiG-23M is not equal to the ML series for the lack of the R-24 missiles and the fact that you can only carry 12 large caliber countermeasures.
HOWEVER
Why on earth would you want to move an aircraft with good missiles, good flight performance down to a BR range where said missiles would absolutely dominate in downtiers. What the hell is an F-4C supposed to do against an R-24R??
The MiG-23ML series are perfectly fine at their BR, they aren’t suffering, they aren’t doing poorly, in fact they’re probably the best 11.3s in the whole game.
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Yeah the MiG-23M has only 12 large caliber countermeasures, you do drop them individually though so that’s a plus. The 23ML series also have slightly better flight performance since they get updated wings and a new engine as well as R-24 series missiles.
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We’d need 2 years worth of major updates
Working off of memory, the MLA and subsequent models were the only ones to fire R-24s, while the MLD had airframe changes
I’m not too knowledgeable regarding the exported MiG-23s, but I know for certain that both of the ML series in the soviet tree are capable of firing R-24s.
Because you are bad at the game so you want it at a lower BR so you can actually play good, and the only reason you could come up with is it would sell more, you don’t even care about how many they sell you just want it to go down. This thing already has no right being the same br as the F-104S.ASA but you want it to be 11.0 with the F-104S without an MTI radar crap SARH and 20 rear aspect missiles. no to mention the thing cant turn and the MiG-23ML is just as fast in much better missile better radar and can turn
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Yeah, just checked.
The MLA implements the RP-23MLA, which as far as I see, was the first implementation of the R-24. I’d imagine there’s some causation between the radar change and introduction of R-24s, as well as the modernization of base model MLs to fit the MLA radar.
It’s already 11.0 in sim, and the MLA 11.3, weird …
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Nope, It’s flight performance is very good at 11.3, it comes with R-60s which aren’t amazing, but they can work on blind opponents, R-24s which are still some of the best missiles in the game to date, radar works just fine for what the plane wants to do as well.
It’s not worse than an F-4J, Tornado F.3, or JA37D, definitely not worse than a Mirage F-1, so moving it down to 11.0 seems silly.
In terms of the differences in terms of the game the early variants of the Mig-23 being the M and MF are quite different from the later variants being the Mig-23ML, MLA, and especially the MLD. The main areas where the later variant improve in are the radar, flight performance, and weaponry.
If you want a detailed explanation about them I recommend this video
I mostly just interested in the ML vs MLA as the ML has a SB rating of 11.0 and the MLA has a rating of 11.3. Despite the fact that as far as I could tell, they should be at the same BR. Just some unsettling dev bias there
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More likely than not there’s probably some goofiness regarding balancing through statistics.
The ML is a premium which makes it more likely to do poorly especially in sim where many people are either new to the MiG-23, the game, or often times both of them.
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I laugh occasionally thinking if the mig23m should be 10.7 or 11.0 because that’s more arguable than a actual mig 23 with full on flares and chaff and also r24r that’s absurd
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while i’d like to agree, we all know its a bit of both
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Actually the funniest thread on the forum, forum posters more dense than DU and don’t see the obvious joke. Godspeed Vamilad.