Ok name them. Name 5
Alpha Jet A, F3H, F-4D, F-11F, Sea Vixen (Not sure about that anymore, i don’t know how are red tops right now) and the J29D with the new 30mm’s as a bonus.
How
Ok
No.
Only ones here that make any sense are F3H, F-4D, and to an extent F-11. F-11 and F-4D are rare event vehicles that won’t be obtainable anymore besides marketplace. F3H is going to be uptiered. CA27 is still top 5 9.0s in game right now alongside CL13B
Worse in every regard besides turn rate
How
Flares, better nose authority, similar engine output (thai)
Not on every model, but sure.
So? The alpha jet is not some apex predator of 9.0. It’s very easy to deal with. It’s slower than everything and loses speed extremely quickly in dogfights.
Specific model, this is the only one that acts like this, and even this one is not a better jet just because its faster than the other alpha jets.
Thai alpha jet also only gets a single gun with 150 tds as its entire air to air potential. This alone disqualifies it.
So you can frag superior aircraft with inferior aircraft by having higher skill.
I’ve done this too.
Though you are correct about the Yak-130 being surprisingly bad at dogfighting despite its thrust & wing.
Facts.
Also 5500kg + 900kg of fuel. 3100/6400 = ~0.5:1 TWR.
7400kg + 1830kg of fuel. 4100/9230kg = ~0.45:1 TWR.
I’m not mathing exact numbers cause I don’t want to open the datamine FM files right now.
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Not on every model, but sure.
All Alpha Jet A series has flares. The one that lacks is the french E series.
So? The alpha jet is not some apex predator of 9.0. It’s very easy to deal with. It’s slower than everything and loses speed extremely quickly in dogfights.
I’ve dogged on CL13B’s with the thai one, you can say it’s like a MiG21Bis of the BR, not the fastest, not the best at energy retention but still good. The flares add a lot of survivality letting you fly straight to gain speed/extend, and as I said, the meta of air RB is not dogfighting, but who’s the fastest and can gun people down quicker. This is why the zero is not meta in props and why the f-5s aren’t meta in jets. Dogfighting is only relevant in very specific scenarios.
Specific model, this is the only one that acts like this, and even this one is not a better jet just because its faster than the other alpha jets.
Thai alpha jet also only gets a single gun with 150 tds as its entire air to air potential. This alone disqualifies it.
The gun is garbage too, but i can assure you if the gun was as good as one of the 30mm ADEN my KD in it would be much, MUCH higher than the CA27.
They misplayed.
Then you must think the CA27 is amazing and the best 9.0 because its one of the fastest subsonics in game and has higher firepower than any of the other sabres
The NF-5A is the #1 meta jet at 10.7 and rank 7 in general rn
They misplayed.
Isn’t this game about exploiting misplays? Are they misplaying because Alpha Jet has higher low speed thrust than the CL13B? At high speed the alpha jet will outmaneuver the CL13B, only when it’s below 700 IAS (when the CL13B slats go out) will it dunk on the Alpha jet.
Then you must think the CA27 is amazing and the best 9.0 because its one of the fastest subsonics in game and has higher firepower than any of the other sabres
I do. The main problem is the F3H spam, which is a great gunboat on it’s own and very hard to deal with in the vertical because of it’s AOA and static thrust.
The NF-5A is the #1 meta jet at 10.7 and rank 7 in general rn
NF-5A is an F-5E’s thrust on the F-5A’s airframe with two aim9j’s at the same BR as the F-5A. Of course something that can even outspeed the f-5e itself below 900kmh is going to be meta at 0.3br lower. It literally has the extending privilege the very f-5e lacks.
Huh? we’re talking about jets man, not players.
No they just took some bad line and if they took a good line you’d be dead
Best/2nd best sabre in the game rn depending how you look at it, and it should go down in BR???
I mean if you said F-86EM I might have another say but come on man…
Also I might get killed for this, but I think ADENs are goated. I dont have the CA27 yet, but in the hunter FGA. 9 I have never had a problem with them except the first learning experience. Otherwise you have practically infinite kills because if you aim well you just need to fire one click and the HE from these guns implodes whatever you are aiming at
They are a high skill curve weapon, especially as it needs entirely different muscle memory to basically any other weapon imo. Going from 20mm Hispanos to 27mm Mauser is extremely easy, you are aiming in largely the same place. The 30mm ADEN… The lead is entirely different. Once youve got it (and I know for a fact I dont) and thus can land hits, it shreds, until then… its a very very hard weapon to use.
Though the Hunters do have a slight advantage of 4 guns vs 2, which does close the gaps between the bursts a bit, not used the CA-27 yet, but on something like the Jag, Harrier, Lighning, etc, sometimes the target can seem to slip through the burst, not had that happen on a Hunter.
Top it off with a lower overall ammo count usually, and its less forgiving to a spray and pray like a lot of other guns, especially on American airframes.
(Also not relevant to the CA-27, but a LOT of 30mm ADEN users have the guns mounted low and back, like the Lightning and Harriers, so you have to not only correct for a much slower round, with much higher drop, but also the paralax from where the guns are mounted, and then ontop of that, something like the Harrier (I think its modeled at least) also have angled guns too, so you have to correct for that as well. that combo really doesnt help either on most 30mm ADEN users)
God dammit its annoying the 25mm ADEN wasnt used a lot more that thing is a laser
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Another thing is for me I generally like guns with lower velocity and more sluggish planes. Like I love the phantoms and the Jaguars because I aim better with them.
It is incredibly different than high velocity guns though, I will say that
Maybe I have just ruined my brain by playing italy and japan, between the italian .50 cals and japanese army air guns I have tought myself to lead miles ahead (the funny thing is I struggle with 27mm mauser and gsh-30-1 and other high velocity guns)
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Its probably why I struggle with the 30mm ADEN, because most of my time im in aircraft with 20mm Hispano or 27mm Mauser, and both dont need a lot of lead, and when i am in something with 30mm ADEN, im usually not trying to gunfight, but ive not been enjoying most of them recently, so not been in any bar the Jaaaaaaag, which has decent ITR.
the alpha jet literally outrates the CA27 in the classic sea level two circle at 33 degrees per second at 770 IAS where the ca27 barely does 27 at 770 IAS too (where it does best). You can also decide whether to keep speed or achieve CLMAX thanks to it’s fly by wire characteristics. With some W tapping the Alpha Jet will preserve 770IAS while getting to 30 degrees per second of turn rate. CA27 reaches a maximum of 27. If I recall, you yourself said that the alpha jet was a great dogfighter when I complained about German Alpha Jet being so mediocre, that was when others pointed out that the thai one was the one with good engine characteristics.
and yet the ca27 is the superior fighter, even if I assume everything you just said is correct, and believe me I’m not assuming that
I am correct cause I just tested it out with WTRTI.
CA27 is superior only because it’s a Sabre. Alpha Jet can shit on it any day just like Su25 shits on the F-5C the moment both enter a ratefight.
lol this isnt real either
I literally beat 3 out of 3 ratefights against one of the best duelists in the entire game with my su25, then got myself onto the f-5c and lost 9 out of 9 engagements in symmetrical. I am gladly challenging you to repeat the events of the su25 outdoing the f-5c in a ratefight if you want.
Oh, also, a friend of mine tested the SMB2 and the CA27’s thrust weight ratio and acceleration values. You know what? The SMB2 absolutely humbles the CA27 once both engines are warmed up (which is usually the status at which they are found in a normal RB scenario)
this is a plane that totally needs to go down in BR (this is sarcasm if someone cant tell). its doing this amidst the F3H demon spam too (while being used by tryhards who are the first to get it) Even when the stats stabilise as new players get a hold of it within the october stats its pretty clear to be a very strong 9.0
do i see video evidence of this in front of me or nah, regardless its still 1 duel and doesnt decide anything by itself
It doesn’t. The SMB2 loses speed easily and takes forever to get it back. The CA27 is basically the opposite.