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I would like to suggest this Field mod of a captured british Morris CS8 light truck armed with a german 15 or 20 mm Mg 151 (simple barrle and ammo change) which would offer a similar firepower to the russian GAZ Dishk HMG or Willys MB (M2HB) and be a co vehicle to the Morris CS8 mit 7,5 cm Le.I.G 18 L/12 creating a good duo.
It would offer a nimble somewhat small truck with a fast fireing armarment of a special kind, but more about the gun below. It would show the need of the german army to capture and reuse captured equipment and vehicles such as this british Morris CS8 and equip them even with cannons to fill the own holes. At the lower ranks this would act as a fast fireing support gun from advantages position that can be reached by speed and nimbleness. As well as a good AA platform.
The Morris Commercial CS8 was a british light truck for the military introduced in 1934 with a small carrieng capcity of mere 760 kg but was the most common vehicle of its kind in the british army and produced form 1934 till 1941 with 21.319 total. It was further modified and introduced in different usages as well.
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The Gun:
15 or 20 mm MG 151 cannon.
On a simple 360° Pintle mount with shoulder stabilization, 50 rounds belt box, and about -20° to +80° Elevation.
The gun is also equipped with a 8mm gunshield with a thick bulletproof glass block.
Aiming is via a a reflex scope to the right. (all visible on the pictures).
Overall weight (without ammo) 37 kg (the gun).
Ammo reserve unknown, as much as fits on the truck, x2 by ammo crate.
15mm Mg 151/15
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Caliber: 15mm
Ammo: 15x96mm
Fire Rate: 700-750-800 rpm (Syncronized)
Beltfed
Muzzle velocity: 850-1050 m/s
Weight: 37kg
Ammo Types:
AP:
Pzgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (Ap-T) 0,072kg 850m/s 0g filler 33mm/10m
Pzbrgr. o.Zerl. (Ap-I) 0,059kg 960m/s 0g filler 35mm/10m
H-Pzgr. o.Zerl. (HVAP) 0,052kg 1050m/s 39g core 9,5mm 51mm/10m
Note: Only against armored ground and sea targets, incendary effect duo to melting of Magnesium-Aluminuim carrier.
Another version of 54,5g with 1040m/s also exists.
Sprgr. L'Spur m.Zerl Üb. (Saphe-T / Phe-T) 0,057 kg 960m/s 1,1g Pent (1,87g) Some penetration
(Didnt go into production as normal HEF-T, as not effective.)
He:
Brsprgr. L`Spur o.Zerl (HeI-T) 0,057kg 960m/s 1,9g Pent + 1,3g Thermite (3,23g)
(Could only find the m.Zerl version, o.Zerl is the same just without the little hole between charge and tracer)
Brsprgr. Gl`Spur. o.Zerl. (HeI-T night) 0,057kg 960m/s 1,9g Pent + 1,3g Thermite (3,23g)
Incendary:
Brgr. L`Spur/Gl'Spur. o.Zerl. 0,057kg 960m/s 0,2g Pent (0,34g)
(Could only find the m.Zerl version, o.Zerl is the same just without the little hole between charge and tracer)
20mm Mg 151/20
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Caliber: 20mm
Ammo: 20x82mm
Fire Rate: 700-750-800 rpm (Syncronized)
Beltfed
Muzzle velocity: 720-790 m/s
Weight: 37kg
Ammo Types:
Generally 3 Categories:
1.Ap rounds, base designe Ap, other types are the same round only replacing the filler from Pressstoff (bakelite) → Phosphorus → Pent and chaning the bottom screw to a bottom fuze so the performance is the same of all types.
2.Nose Fuze rounds same rounds made to the same characteristics of the Ap round with different fillers:
3.High capacity thinn walled Minengeschosse. M-Geschoss are multiple on the same principal with Mv of 790m/s with Self destruct and without of He He-I and with I.
Ap: (Early rounds were 0,115kg, which were increased to 0,117kg)
Pzgr. o.Zerl. (Ap) 0,117kg 720m/s 27mm/10m
Pzbrgr. (E.) o.Zerl. (Ap-I) 0,117kg 720m/s 27mm/10m
6,2g Thermite (Electron) and Incendary mix, after penetrating 4mm Shipsteel, it is shot out the back.
Used against Trading ships and other light War Vehicles.
Pzbrgr. (Ph.) o.Zerl (Ap-I) 0,117kg 720m/s 27mm/10m
3,6g Phosphor filling in Aluminium shell. Goes into action after shattering.
Used in Airfights against especially armored planes and against light tanks, Trucks, Trains and others.
Pzbrgr. L'Spur (or Gl'Spur) (Ph.) (ApI-T) 0,117kg 27mm/10m
2,5g Phosphor filling in Aluminium shell. Goes into action after shattering.
Same use as Tracerless version, but with tracer.
Pzsprgr. o.Zerl. (Aphe) 0,117kg 720m/s 5,1g Pent (8,67g) 27mm/10m
Note: Against Ships, Iron protected targets as well as light ground targets.
Bottum Fuze active after 3mm Steel.
Pzsprgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (Aphe-T) 0,117kg 720m/s 3g Pent (5,1g) 27mm/10m
Pzsprgr. Gl´Spur. o.Zerl. (Aphe-T night) 0,117kg 720m/s 3g Pent (5,1g) 27mm/10m
He: (Early rounds were 0,115kg, which were increased to 0,117kg)
Sprgr. L`Spur. m.Zerl. (He-T) 0,117kg 720m/s 4,3g Pent (7,31g)
Note: Against Air and ground targets, replaced by Br.Sprgr. early on.
(Could only find the m.Zerl version, o.Zerl is the same just without the little hole between charge and tracer)
Brsprgr. L`Spur. m.Zerl. (HeI-T) 0,117kg 720m/s 2,3g Pent (3,91g)
Also with Gl’Spur.
Incendary: (Early rounds were 0,115kg, which were increased to 0,117kg)
Brgr. L`Spur. o.Zerl. (I-T) 0,117kg 720m/s Some AP capability, duo solid nose designe
Also with Gl’Spur and without Sd.
Brgr. o.Zerl. (I) 0,117kg 720m/s
Highly compressed Incendary mix of Bariumnitrat-Aluminium-Magnesium-Alloy.
Minengeschoss:
M-Gesch. o.Zerl. 0,095kg 790m/s 18g HA 41 (29,76g)
M-Gesch. X m.Zerl 0,104kg 750m/s 25g HA 41 (40g)
The Vehicle:
Weight: 1,94 Ton (+ 570 kg of the Le.I.G 18)
Length / Width: 4,22m / 1,93 m
Engine: 60 Hp at 2800 rpm
Speed: 64 km/h
Armor: Gunshield angled 8mm
Source:
Handbuch der Flugzeugbordwaffenmunition
Mg 151 Manual
Military Intelligence Service, Special Series No. 14, May 25, 1943 USA War Department
Manual of the Morris CS8