Not kind of like that, I’m mentioning the NCTR like Rafale’s or Su-30sm’s, which could recognize the specific type of an aircraft. As a newer radar retrofitted in the 2010s, doesn’t it have this feature?
Not really. From what we’ve found out so far there is no indication of MRM compatibility on stations 5/7. The markings I previously thought said MRM, most likely say TER, which would imply that they don’t have the electrical connector for guided weapons (MRM/GBU) in the main electrical panel.
The F-2 was also confirmed to only have four MRM launcher adapters unlike for example the ASMs, where the capability for 6 missiles is also confurmed in documents.
So generally Gaijins loadouts seem to already be pretty much accurate.
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I think the main problem isnt the missile loadout but rather the 60 Countermessures
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It would be 120 since there also underside dispensers that are disabled right now, but bug reports on that were accepted back in friday
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Possibly? Really depends on how Gaijin feels. Should they want to give Japan a 14.0 jet, they’d likely just buff the F-15J(M) as it has so many missing upgrades.
Best we’ll get is 4+4, so x8. Simply no proof of a 6+4 and therefore no x10.
Depends on the future of War Thunder. A lot of nations don’t have tons to add, besides Prototypes and Experiments. I’d love to see Concept/Paper aircraft that lost to the F-2 / F-35, but its more likely we’ll see subtrees in play (eg ASEAN)
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It’s just the pylon interface. In fact, by your logic, STA-5/7 is fuel only.
Yes, like the others, it is clearly stated as a “pylon” - not an adapter or rail.
And the AAM-4 is not compatible with rail launchers. If we use that document we will only get the 7M lol (It’s rumored that the tip of the tail of the F-2 was black in mass production because the ASM motor would cause soot to appear, so it would be less noticeable. The black part doesn’t seem to be the inside.)
Well, here we go again with your logic. We’re going by physical facts, not practical use. The ASM is… 6. The markings… don’t mean much. Other pylon supports GBUs, but it doesn’t say so. The TER connectors… it can coexist with the MRM connector, like other pylons do.
Yeah, look at the panel again.
Umbilicals are common. We’ve looked at the connectors underneath and they don’t look any different. If the connectors are removed, are the ASM wires really there? At least the official documents say it’s for fuel.
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Tbf, if Gaijin feels like it they might even add Shimadzu HMD in context that it was proposed and base it’s indication on one Shimadzu makes for US-2 maritime search & resque aircraft
if they feel like it. They don’t feel like doing a lot of things, especially for certain nations.
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So I guess at this point, the only real leeway tweaks that Gaijin can really do is HMD if they feel like it… and possibly stretching the use of ASM-2s to ground maybe?
For air to air, I feel the F-2 in its current state would be a bit of a weird sidegrade (4+4 AAM) to the F-15JM since the merit is you get AESA… at the cost of HMD, and you’ll get a airframe with more maneuverability and comparable thrust?
For multirole/CAS, it gets guided bombs and more pylons for A2A options but I think looking at it overall, I’d stick to the Thai Gripen since that gets F&F missiles and glide bombs.
I’d really hope they throw Japan a bit of a bone and at least give it a bit more standout features to give players an incentive to grind it. Personally I’d like to see it as a potent multirole rivaling the Su-30 or Rafale in capability.
TER is a confirmed loadout, we know for a fact that the capability is there, which in turn means the marking has to be there for it. That’s why the only three letter text on the pylons electrical panel must be for the TER connector.
The ASMs don’t use adapters or rails, they are mounted directly to the pylon, similar to single bombs. In addition to that the pylon has a unique front piece that still features the makings for ASMs as well as the connector below.
In the same logic you could deny the use of unguided weaponry and the TER, which would be meaningless considering these loadouts have been confirmed.
Instead what this means, is differentiating the store stations by the fuel station (which is the only one that can mount fuel tanks) and the pure weapons stations, that can only mount weaponry.
Both the AAM-4 and AIM-7M use the LAMS-7 launch rail.
Every other marking means much. The ASM on stations 5/7 is quite literally the only marking we haven’t seen a physically confirmed loadout for. Considering they went out of their way to make unique markings for these parts, it is illogical to assume this would be done without reason.
The markings are already different, if there was no ASM capability, they could simply exclude them.
The GBU-38 was not integrated from the start, which is why not all pylons feature GBU-38 markings. However they share the connector with the MRM in the main electrical panel, meaning MRM pylons without GBU-38 markings them can still use them, as they aren’t actually physically different.
This seems to be false, as there does seem to be physical changes inside the electrical panel of those pylons.
This is completely unrelated from the ASM for multiple reasons. First of all, the ASMs don’t share a connector with the MRMs, meaning no matter if there is or isn’t an MRM connector they can be used as long as the ASM umbilical is present.
And of course, GBU-38 can still be used on all pylons that say GBU-38, so it doesn’t set any precedent for assuming pylons that say ASM can’t use ASMs.
It is possible pylons without can’t provide guidance input to the bombs, further information would be needed.
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No evidence. This is a document from a refurbishment and is considered to no longer have TER capability. It states that it is for fuel.
AAM-4 is not used.
It’s nothing special, just something that can be done if needed. The fuel tank is not TER or ASM. Please indicate that there is a connector there. They share the parts and just change some numbers in the marking procedure.
If it is not integrated, MRM cannot be used, but it is not a precedent to not know that from the marking. I said that the marking has meaning, but you are saying that it has no meaning. Lol
Only the markings were there. Indicating it was a fuel pylon. The TER image seems very old. Ah sure? There is a connector hole there. Yes, GBU/MRM as well.
The pylon has ASM written on it, but there is no reason to use ASM lol
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AAM-4 is used on the LAMS-7 launch rail
Yes, seems you were right about the GBUs. I corrected it based on your additional information.
Yes, it’s unlikely we will see anything besides fuel tanks on service F-2s. Even if other capabilities are there, the additional fuel capacity is seen as a priority.
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In practice, that means the AAM-4B. Improvements include compatibility with rail launchers.
Unless they show an actual connector, it is unlikely that there is any capability to utilize ASMs. Even the ground displays do not show it. Even the TER was never mounted on a fuel pylon after the integration of the AAM-4.
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There images of F-2 carrying what appears to be AAM-4, rather than AAM-4B. But since the visual difference is limited and live armament on the F-2 rare already, I couldn’t say which is more common.
Yeah, like I said I doubt we’d get service displays, though it would be interesting to see the actual connectors inside the ASM panel.
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yep! you’re all caught up
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As per the modernization reports for the OFP on the F-2. Both the AAM-4 and AAM-4B were installed with full compatibility.
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I agree with that. It’s a quantity that doesn’t guarantee survival on a battlefield crowded with enemy aircraft and anti-aircraft.
Somehow, they haven’t developed extra countermeasures pods?
You need to understad that CMs like flares and chaff are the very last ditch solution and Fox-2s are nearly impossibly hard to find on modern battlefield. There are other means of protections that are more effective that we do not have in game yet like ECM, towed decoys and such. You can check other 4.5 gens in game like Rafale or EFT and they also have very small conventional countermeasure count
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EFT gets 320ish cms. How is that small? Rafale gets like 160ish.
Oh, yeah, I forgot they get additional chaff after MAW research