Mitsubishi F-2

I’m talking about what should be done, not the stupid choices they’ll do for money

Money! Hence why the Type 16 (P) / Type 16 (FPS) exists.

Type 16 using the same shells as the Type 74, Why dont 16P and FPS have Type 93 APFSDS that it used

Japan SHOULD have its GCS-1, but the reality we dont get it (in the game since 2021 nearly 100% ready to use)

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To fill out BRs so you don’t jump straight from the AJ at 12.7 to an F-2 at 13.7 or 14.0

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^ This

goated aircraft should already be ingame imo. would love for it to come with j10b next update

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Or if they get rid of the AJ, a replacement for it. They could also fill it with the actual F-16A OCU

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im surprised and also not surprised. The F-16AJ when it was announced was the temporary replacement for the F-2 in the tree, but they announced the F-2 over 2 years ago.

Japan doesn’t have 14.0 plane at the moment, so new jet - if this jet is F-2 - must be F-2A Late. Japan also lacks of rank 8 premium, and adding of this (over)hyping (really hyping. Even russian players want it!) plane is the best opportunity to add rank 8 premium. Since we have information about only one “jet”, this premium plane also should be F-2. Early. If they add F-2A Early as premium, there is nothing to stop Gaijin to add F-2A Early as tech tree plane. We saw this with JA37DI and F/A-18

I’m quite skeptical about new IR missiles. They are REALLY overpowered. Of course, Gaijn can implement them whatever way they want, but basically they should be almost unflarable because of matrix seeker. With other cool features like LOAL, they WILL be menace of top tier battles. Like 20-30G missiles were before flares.

AAM-4B - IDK. Like, really. We saw improved missiles (R-77-1) with new jets coming, but it was more like “updating to the current level”. I mean, R-77 is probably the worst missile in the game. R-77-1 is just ok.

Sad part - if we see both F-2A Early and F-2A Late - they gonna be in line one after one. So, no F-2A Late at the day one of the new update.

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If they’re gonna add a premium F2, then we will get 3 F-2s - XF-2 in TT, F-2A early as premium and F-2A late in TT.

I once discussed my opinion on the weapons for it. Since the F-2A will have a limited loadout (4x ARH, 4x IR), I wouldn’t consider it too out of question to give the F-2 the AAM-4B. The AAM-4 we have in game atm is artificially nerfed anyway, so the new AAM-4B would be too, but it would be a nice gimmick if it had high notch, chaff and multipath resistance to compensate for the low number of missiles. Because if it gets the same A2A weapons as the F-15JM, then it won’t be really better than the F-15, not at all.

Also can’t but throw this little fact here, since you already mentioned the R-77-1 - the missile is about 20 years younger than the most modern US missile in the game. Remember this when Gaijin says NATO can’t get more modern missiles yet.

Since apparently AAM-4B is similar kinematically to AAM-4, I don’t see a reason not to, to be honest.

I think this would be a good compromise if it ends up not having HMD. With a proper AESA radar not having HMD isn’t a huge deal (doubly so if we have access to vertical ACM). However being able to secure a kill with use of AESA TWS+ and datalink would be great.

As for the premium, I really hope to see an F-2 early premium with sparrows and AAM-3, though realistically it might just be AIM-9Ls.

Maybe they add XF-2A, maybe they keep it for event. Second is most likely for me.

I also expect 6+2 loadout, since at least XF-2A was able to carry 6 AIM-7. Most likely cracks issue was fixed, but they decided to not use 6+2 loadout during peaceful time to increase operating time. We don’t need to do this, so 6+2 is possible. So, loadout is equal to EF/J-10.

Another thing with AAM-4B - Gaijin need to add smth comparable to AIM-120C-7/8. Also, nobody can stop Gaijin from reworking and rebalancing missiles. Delete AAM-4 from F-15J(M), improve their stats, keep it only on F-2A Late.

It’s not about age, it’s about their game performance. AIM-120A/B on F-15E/EF are more comfortable and generally better than R-77-1 on Su-30SM.

I think the AAM-4 is one of the best ARH missiles currently, for what it’s worth, especially based on this.

Missile is good, yeah. F-15J(M) is the best F-15 in tournaments because of AAM-3/4 (also, it’s slightly lighter, but not a big deal). However, in random battles F-15J(M) is lacking of speed and dynamics compared to F-15E/EF/Rafale.

Is there any information about PW-229 on F-15J?=)

People keep forgetting that the difference in the maximum range of the AAM-4 and AAM-4B is really just because of updated software. The only time the AAM-4B will have more range is when engaging in BVR combat at 10 km altitude. There is no speed increase, no fuel mass increase, just better trajectory and lofting.

Yea I think that’s an inevitability unfortunately due to them being top in class, which lets them adapt to the craziness that is top tier air RB.

Though with the F-2, I’m just so looking forward to having essentially the “F-16AJ but better” in ground RB so I can keep the skies clear like no other SPAA could.

I feel like people are expecting too much of the F-2, what it will be in game is probably a worser f-16c. Probably worse FM than the block 10/AJ (while being slower), while its weapon suite will be much worse than a MLU blk 15/50. From what I can tell, F-2 is meant mostly for striking ships, not ground targets like tanks. It doesnt get those sweet lau-88 launch rails for mavericks (who knows if it even gets mavs), will only be able to carry 4 ARH missiles compared to the 6 of the f-16c, and and worst of all no HMD. This thing should’ve been added ages ago, will likely be DOA. Gonna be worse than the F-15 J (M) for ATA.

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It’s possible as Gaijin can do whatever they want.

However, given all what we know, that shouldn’t be the case. It’s the pinnacle of the F-16 air frame’s design along with some native upgrades. It should be very maneuverable (assuming it’s not lugging around 4-6 AAM-4s), especially at low speed fights, but it all comes at the cost of higher drag and as a result lower top speed.

The real question is what A2G weapons it will get because it could range from average with L-JDAMs to being pretty competitive with ASMs.

And to add to what @Fireraid233 said, nobody really is expecting this to be best jet to topple the EFT/Rafale. That being said, considering how close the B10 F-16 is to the EFT, something as good or slightly better will be competitive with it at least, even if not the best (especially with all the AoA limiter toggles).

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Most who expect it to be a super plane are those who know nothing of it. Im pretty confident the majority here and maybe R an R know how late it is by now.

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XF-2A would fit better with 7Ms and 9Ls, with an F-2A Early getting AAM-3s. But who knows what gaijin is cooking.