Not sure if these gcs1s can target moving tank🙂↔️
probably can since it relies of infared homing,
likley very can target tanks
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Great, Japan can at least get sth useful
Yes, they are IIR seekers made to specifically target ships and boats, which are within the same heat signature range as tanks. When considering small boats or landing/assault vehicles it is meant to hit, these are no different in size either. But even then, lower target size can only decrease range, not make tracking impossible.
As for moving targets, naval targets aren’t stationary, and move at similar speeds as well.
With Penguin ASM tracking such targets in game, the more advanced IIR seekers of GCS-1 and ASM-2 shouldn’t have any issues and would likely perform better.
Only issue with GCS-1 is targeting, since you can’t lock it before launch, only after. This might be difficult to use, or made into lock on before launch like they did before for Martel missiles.
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Started as a support fighter, ended as a multirole.
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No, from other images of it you can see it still has the electrical connector on the bottom, markings for electrical connectors with the wing, and some marking for where to connect the electrical stuff. Some of the markings are different, but theres still one in the same spot that looks the same as the one for MRMs on the outer pylons.
The same goes for Penguin irl from what I saw, were You launch it in a general direction, and yet in game It was implemented in the other way (wich Is pretty iffy).
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Honestly I expect the ASM-2B more than GCS-1 for the simple reason that GCS-1 has the same issue that Brimstones do. No IFF autonomous tracking is too strong and at the same time unreliable that it would be frustrating from a gameplay perspective.
ASM-2B, either via sniper pod or navigation pod, could target specific target or the ground just like mavericks, reusing the same stuff the game has. Or in other words, just look at ASMs as bigger mavs or even AASM from Rafale. Though they’d probably be easier to intercept given their size.
Also I don’t think it will be considered a strike aircraft by virtue of F-16C, F-16AJ, etc. existing. Whatever IRL designation it has, in-game it’s a multi-role fighter so it will be treated as such. Though it would be nice if it was a strike fighter so SP costs to switch to the F-15J(M) won’t be affected, giving you two planes to CAP with, realistically.
Rafale can reach its top speed at 101% afterburner, even with a full load of missiles you will reach the wing ripping speeds at like 103-104% afterburner.
I can’t see how the F2 would be a decent 14.0 package, if it gets the 4+4 load it will be a mediocre 13.7 at best
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I still don’t know why people think a fighter is just all BVR and only thinking about 16 vs 16 air RB.
Seems very shortsighted as that’s not even where it will be primarily used.
Yeah but tbf even in GRB it will be behind. If you wanna carry all 8 jdams you get no fox 3s. So either you sacrifice jdams for fox 3s or vice versa. Whereas others get full ground load plus fox 3s.
4 asm-2s you sacrifice any CAP or air to air protection other then 2 AAM-3.
ASM-3 probably not coming. I doubt ASM-2 is as well.
Meanwhile an F-16 can carry 6 mavs and fox 3s plus GBUs
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Don’t get me wrong tho it will be better then anything Japan has at the moment and still hopefully be fun
I think that’s more the other aircraft are too compressed. F-2 is a 14.0 in air RB but the others are higher. Since ground RB has their own battle rating, it’s the same story, just not 14.0.
The obvious answer is don’t carry all 8 and instead carry less.
Same story here, but also just carry 2 ASMs instead. The ability to re-arm and come back is infinitely more valuable than dumping your load and dying.
I don’t expect ASM-3 as that’s pretty modern it seems. Kind of like AAM-5 territory. However, I think at minimum ASM-2 seems to make sense.
Even if it doesn’t come with it, you know me, I don’t care. I just wanted to load with 2x AAM-3 on wingtips, 4x AAM-4 (or AAM-4B if they do that) and just CAP the whole game.
Like I said before, my expectation is F-16AJ but a bit better and as long as they do that, it will be really strong 1 vs 1 against every other CAS platform. Air RB is a meme and in Ground RB, I plan to do what I always do which is keep the skies clear and maybe do some limited CAS to help the team out, if the SP and situation allows.
Regardless, I think it has enough capabilities to put it at 14.0. If they don’t and put it at 13.7, fine with me, but it doesn’t mean it can’t compete with the other fighters either. If the F-16C can, the F-2 most certainly can do better.
Ah yes, 4x 500 lb jdams, truly an unrivaled top tier CAS platform
Like, yeah, i agree it is too modern, but remember the AAM-4B is even more modern. It’s half a decade newer then a AAM-5, and is genuinely near the levels of an amraam D, lets not fool ourselves into thinking it will come to game.
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I don’t think anyone claimed it was an unrivaled CAS platform or ever will be lol. It will finally bring Japan to the table with modern CAS that other nations have had for quite a while. Maybe sub-trees will help but Japan being more postured into self defense was never going to be at the forefront of CAS, imo.
Let me rephrase, having ASM-3 would be like skipping the AIM-9L and going straight for AAM-3 on the EJ Kai. I think the ASM-3 will come but the first ASMs will most likely be the ASM-2/2B. I also think 100% they’ll behave ahistorically because gameplay > realism, just like the AAM-4, but yea.
Mmm, yeah i still don’t exactly think it’s gonna be, on part with other platforms. Like a Su-30/34 can take 6x Kh-38s (the closest comparison in game), 4x MRMs, and 4x SRMs. Meanwhile the F-2 is gonna be stuck with some combined total of 4x ASM-2s/MRMs, and 4x SRMs.
It’s never going to be on par with the best CAS in the game, that’s kinda my point lol. If you want to be CAS dominant, Japan is the wrong nation. However, it will still be miles better than what we have currently, at least compared to the AJ (I think it’s slightly better than the Gripen?).
We also just dont know what kit gaijin will give the F-2 such as HMD which IS crucial at top tier and even in ground rb.
It allows you to essentially start going cold and defending against a fox 3 while shooting off your own fox 3. Without hmd you will essentially have to face them almost head on depending on the radars performance and angles which is a disadvantage as that means he’s already defending, while your nose on JUST shooting off your own fox 3 while he has his in the air already.
In GRB you will essentially lose each 1v1 unless you pick him up first simply because he can just defend and keep shooting off fox 3s whereas you either have to defend or full commit and shoot a fox 3. even worse giving the lack of fox 3s the F-2 can already carry at best 2 in ground rb if your taking some bombs or ASM-2 while most opponents will have 4 or six even with a full ground loadout.
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Now on a more optimistic look…while its still being researched and debated…they can give us a theoretical loadout of being able to carry fox 3s and weapons on the outer pylon and inner most pylons
This would allow for a air to air loadout of 8 fox 3s and 2 IR on par or better with other top tier jets.
For ground it would also be good as this would allow for high cas loadouts and be able to carry fox 3s
With the theoretical loadout above we could look at a max jdam loadout of 12 and still be able to carry 2 fox 3s and 2 IR. Or even 4 fox 3s+2 IR and 8 jdams
Its more crazy with ASMs since you can carry 6 ASM-2s and 2 fox 3s. Or 4 fox 3s and 4 ASM-2s much better then the regular options. That and sniper pod plus if they give us HMD simply because it was mentioned in a document and the F-2 would be a beast.
But thats up in the air as its debated that those pylons can carry such loadout but there are some hints that they possibly could but nothing confirmed really more cope talk from me.
We know it seems that it was at least planned to have used radar missiles on those outer pylons at some point pre production but that changed post production.
We also know it can equip at least bombs on the inner pylons but it doesnt mean ASMs can be used at least so far. Maybe JDAMS?
dont take what i said too seriously as most is still debated and most likely not possible its up in the air right now. That being said if we were able to get this theoretical kit alongside HMD it would be a very strong top tier jet besides raw speed which would make more sense why it hasnt been added just yet…im coping lol
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Yes but I’d say it’s more favorable than not that we’ll see HMD but we have to wait and see before we doom and gloom. But like I said, vertical ACM at least will help in dogfights, mostly for gun lead
Fox 3s are nice but in GRB they’re really only useful for taking care of high flying CAS or keeping someone on the deck. Otherwise you can still multipath very well to close in the distance and 1 vs 1. What’s more dangerous is smokeless ir missiles even through maws. However, dogfights leave the deck sometimes and in those cases yes, off boreshot aam-4 is useful. Though realistically, probably will be jettisoning aam-4s if it gets to that point as they are too heavy to dogfight with
Anyhow, guys I think I’ll agree to disagree with the BR rating. Ultimately, I don’t care if its 14.0, 20.0, 1.0, or 9999.0, I’m going to be excited for it and playing it anyway as I’ve only ever expected a better F-16AJ with AAM-3 and AAM-4 with a drogue chute :P
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