except I really doubt the F-2 would be 14.0
still would be a good update and I think it’s likely to happen
No it would definitely be 14.0 no matter what. Look at hornet, all it has going for it at 14.0 is 10 AMRAAMs. F-2 has great radar, faster than hornet, solid FM, and solid armamenr
4x AAM-4 4x AAM-3.
The J(M) already has better loadouts
Since the demand is for a 14.0 jet. That is probably what you will get with the F-2
Nah IMO, unless they bump up the AAM-3/4 to IRL levels of performance, the F-2 is gonna be 13.7 material, and not even peak 13.7. Now, if they did, then yes, it could super easily go to 14.0, but imo the F-15J(M) would still likely be the meta pick, unless gaijin finally got their thumbs out their ass when it comes to accurately modeling AESAs.
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While the F-15J(M) has better BVR performance as a missile boat, the F-2’s flight performance and radar would in theory be really good and push it above. There’s also better CAS loadouts which are still factored into air BR ratings for ground attack, even if it’s more GRB (which has its own BR).
I think 14.0 is a safe bet for the F-2. I’d only argue 13.7 if it gets no HMD, but 50/50 on it since Gaijin could add it anyway, or add it later after release like they did with the OCU.
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I’m not gonna lie the F-2’s flight performance is not honestly gonna be it’s selling point. Yes, it can turn incredibly well in instantaneous. But it’s lacking in speed and TWR compared to other top tier options, even the F-15. It’s A2G loadout options also aren’t great, since gaijin isn’t likely to add in ASMs, and the GCS-1 has been denied in the past.
The only redeeming thing for A2G is that it can technically have 6x 2000lb jdams (even though this would never be used irl), and even then that’s at the cost of all MRM capability, and more then likely making the plane subsonic on the deck
Yes, it’s radar would be good, but, honestly, only if: 1. Gaijin buffed the AAM-4, 2. Gaijin actually modeled the radar correctly. Without AAM-4’s getting terminal datalink functionality, a better radar honestly won’t markedly improve their performance. And without the AESA being modeled properly, it’s honestly not much of a step up over whats in game anyways.
The F-2’s radar irl is just like, kinda not the best, it’s beam control period is horrendously slow for a ESA (up to an order of magnitude slower in some cases), it’s range isn’t exceptional, it’s not effective at jamming. The only things it’s good at were being first, and some select anti-stealth capabilities, which will 100% never make it into game. If it’s performance in game was relative to other AESAs in game it’s not gonna be super hot. Literally the only way the F-2 will not be DOA is if it comes with full irl performance.
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I think you are right. People are expecting it to be a strong 14.0 for some reason but it will probably end up like a f-18c with far less radar missiles, even with radar upgrades, it won’t even be a strong 13.7. Mainly due to the limited loadout and being relatively slow like the f-18c
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I mean the flight performance will give it something nice in general as it will be great at dogfights, however you need to look at this not from an ARB perspective. F-15 is the best Japan is going to get for air RB. However, when it comes to anything not 16 vs 16, the F-2 will start to shine, especially with smaller dogfights.
Also talking about what ifs with whether Gaijin will add this or model that won’t get us anywhere. All we can do is wait. Even just giving it AAM-4Bs with better kinematic performance and harder notch/chaff angles and resistance will be enough to give it a good choice over F-15J(M).
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Yeah no it’'s flight performance just, isn’t on par with other 14.0s, the only way it’s competing/beating any of them is in instantaneous turn rate, with worse sustained, aoa, top speed, acceleration, and basically every other metric. And no HMD does just make it, not that good at dogfighting, unless gaijin were to bump up it’s scan rate to IRL levels so you can just track everything in front of you (according to secondary source’s the F-2’s ACM mode automatically selects and tracks targets, functioning kind of as a TWS ACM mode). But this wouldn’t be possible unless they gave it it’s irl accurate scan speed.
“AAM-4B with better kinematic performance” soooo… we kinda, don’t actually have anything even suggesting the AAM-4B uses a different motor. It’s very likely the added range is entirely from lofting optimizations, as we know it had software designed to minimize energy loss in lofting against maneuvering targets. Also the J(M) also gets it, because gaijin was dumb and gave us literally the most modern F-15J possible.
The most anticipated aircraft of the entire Japanese tree, and they delay it to the point where:
- All but the latest service version would be 13.7 material at best, and even the latest one might need to rely on prototyped equipment to work at 14.0
- It isn’t the first AESA, but the third at best and likely together with others
- Armament is straight up sub-par, with most adversaries carrying at least 6 ARH missiles
- Even AAM-4B can’t save it, unless they implement completely new mechanics for it, AAM-5 just straight up won’t be added unless we see equivalent missiles anyways
- Flight performance is outclassed in literally every way, with only low speed and instantaneous turn being notable
- Can’t use it properly for lack of HMD
- Added after literal TVC, so it isn’t even a gimmick that draws attention to the tree
How is it even possible to mess up this badly? Literally nothing was stopping them from an Early F-2A or prototype XF-2B 004 that could’ve been here a year ago except dumb Gaijin excuses of being “too modern” and “too powerful”.
They made sure that everyone expected this game-changingly powerful plane that they would add as soon as they could, when in reality they just missed every single opportunity and are probably begging DMM for some obscure tech used on it they can implement to justify this delay like they did when they justified Type 81 (C) delays for “needing a new mechanic”, then implemented Strela photocontrast as substitute for its imaging seeker…
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Gaijin in their way to add in ME just to use it as the justification for the plane to be so late (they wont model it correctly anyways)
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Inb4 Chinese mains bomb review War Thunder for having the F-2 destroy the J-10
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Did we ever find out what this was? Looks like some kinda MAWS.
It is just RWR
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Damn.
I don’t think F-2 gonna be that bad. I’m pretty sure Gaijin will give HMD. It’s flight performance is also decent. We have rafale with max speed ~1450 km/h and F-2 is comparable (actually, I think it can do more when diving). It also should has close to rafale turn rate. Acceleration is worse, yes: I’d expect TWR ~1 with minimum load, instead of 1.3 on rafale.
Amount of missiles is debatable. We have strong evidence of 4+4 load. But F-2 has inner pylons with similar to medium pylons construction. So, maybe it’s 6+4 loadout? We also know, that AIM-7on outer pylons was proposed on prototypes. So, maybe it’s even 8+2 loadout? We don’t have any 100% evidence for that, but maybe this is one of the reasons why it was delayed?
Idk man you’re coping a bit much. I could see HMD cause gaijin has a track record of it, but its not beating a rafael in terms of speed at any altitude lmao. Yes it can match it in instantanious but its almost deffinitly falling behind in sustained. And yes we could maybe see 6+4, but thats still like, kinda subpar to everything else at 14.0 getting 8 or more ARHs
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Only if you look at BVR with the specific instance of rocketing up to launch multiple ARH missiles and cranking/notching back and forth to launch and defend.
This is why I said in Air RB, the F-15J(M) will still be better as it is the air superiority fighter. However, in anything but BVR, the F-2 will have an edge.
To be fair, as long as it has vertical ACM, it will be able to dogfight well as that’s what I use on the F-16AJ with great success to fight even EFTs and Rafales.
To add, the F-2 will most likely struggle against decent EFT/Rafale pilots who use their thrust to go vertical. It’s quite similar to low-mid tier where other energy fighters can trap the Zero however if they try to turn fight, especially at stall speeds, the F-2 will come out on top.
Most likely not a better motor but with Gaijin ahistorically nerfing the AAM-4, I wouldn’t be surprised if they never unnerf it and instead add the AAM-4B with historical or the AAM-4’s performance. Either way it results in the AAM-4B being a better ARH missile than the AAM-4.
It’s also possible Gaijin will not add it to the F-15J(M) and instead will add it to a future F-15, perhaps the JSI (yes, I know it’s more paper than reality right now) or a new F-15J(M) at a higher BR. They have done stuff like this in the past so they don’t raise the BR of existing aircraft and “create gaps in BR”.
I also agree with this, especially the HMD. Given the recent OCU situation, and top tier in general, I highly doubt Gaijin won’t add it. I mean this is the same company that added the ahistorical F-16AJ. Nothing is off the table.
I also think the flight performance will be good and will surprise people, who again might dismiss it as a fat F-16 and are none the wiser.
Also in general, we’re in modern territory guys. Gaijin could make the F-2 the worst or the best jet in the game. It’s really up to them as it’s a game first and foremost. My personal expectation is a better F-16AJ with AAM-3 and AAM-4 (so it will be among the best dogfighters but still lacking in BVR). Anything more and I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Did you fly rafale? It simply breaks at 1450-1500 km/h. It’s one of the slowest top tier planes because of that.
At the moment only F/A-18, Su-27SM, Su-30SM and J-11B have more than 8 missiles. 6+4 loadut is better than eurofighter and same as J-11B. It’s less ARH missiles than on rafale, but more in total. If we see 8+2, than it’s third loadout in the game.
People also expect J-10B at 14.0. And it has, like, 6+2?