Mitsubishi F-2

Given the positions of the antenna of the J/ASQ-2, there is not particularly high reason to think it would have a full 360 degree sphere of influence. Additionally confirmed by primary documents stating it has no elevation detection. That being said, the J/ASQ-2 is lacking in some places. Strictly speaking, it’s not even a RWR.

The J/ASQ-2’s an electronic warfare suite, first and foremost. ESM (Electronic Support Measures), is the multi-frequency radio detection system on it, which combines multiple high and low band sensors. Its not just designed to detect radar signals, but basically any radio wave. While this isn’t technically an exclusive feature, as many radars can technically be tuned to detect other radio waves. The J/ASQ-2 is, to my knowledge, the only one that purposefully integrates these functions as part of it’s “RWR”, at least on non AEW/AWACS/wild weasel platforms.

So, what does this mean? Well, more or less, it gives the F-2 a lot more ways to detect planes, it should be able to detect, atleast sufficiently close targets, even while they’re not looking at it, or with their radar off. However gaijin has in the past denied adding such features, due to the game not having control configurations which would allow you to combat them.

It also means, however, that the F-2 should have a lot more threat types on scope then it currently does. As mentioned in my bug report (Ignore it being closed, apparently I didn’t make it clear enough for the TM the specific lines I was mentioning). This is as it’s not just looking for the radar signal, but any radio waves coming from the target. As such things like TACOM or Datalink/Radio communication systems can also be used as type identifiers. Which I set some examples of in there.

Also, because the “RWR” and radar both go through the same mission computer, and as shown in several magazine diagrams, and as confirmed they can talk to each other by some research paper. The radar and RWR should share a display. So basically, both of them are just displayed (typically on the central screen), as one big image, being a 360 degree circle around the plane, with a 120 degree cone extending out in front for your radar scope. And basically everything showing positions would show up on here. Allies sharing their position through JADGE/JCDS(F), hostiles pinging your RWR, hostiles pinging your radar, hostiles shared through datalink (non-operable on by weapons). I intend to write a suggestion for this at some point.


Now, there were, various research projects into improving it. Firstly and most well known, was the development of the “3D high precision direction finding system”. Which was supposed to use the already existing sensors, but increase precision and allow for azimuth detection. This was via the switching of the signal processing used in direction finding from power measurement (low precision), to time difference (high precision). Now, something is kinda unclear here. Multiple sources state that the system was to require no physical modification to the system. Which, if true, means that all F-2s could theoretically have it. However this is kinda contradicted by the only known test for the system having had physical modifications anyways, so it’s very unclear.

Something else, which is unclear if it was part of the prior development, or a base function, was a datalink functionality. The reason this is unclear, is because it’s always mentioned in relation to the 3D high precision system, however is also often seen in images as part of the prior existing system. But basically what this was was data linking between multiple J/ASQ-2s. By combining directional and orientationally information from systems they could allow proper position finding of targets. Unlike RWRs in game, which use range zones for their detection, IRL RWRs are much less precise with how far away and where targets are. Except for on the F-2, and some other newer ones, which do actually find the position of targets. (Position finding is stated to be capable separately from claims of datalink, but datalink claims itself to be a core part of direction finding, another thing making me think this feature is on all F-2s.

Also there’s the much less known LRCS (Long range co-operative search) developed for the J/ASQ-2. Another entirely digital upgrade, which i’m unsure of if ever was put into a flight ready airframe or not. But basically this was a system which used the RWR/ESM function to help the radar with targeting. Finding targets for it to track, as while as increasing maximum detection range by around 13%. This is, quite a substantial increase in range, as as much as a 63% increase in transmission power would be required to equate to this. This detection range increase seems to be by a combination of using the RWR sensors as extra radar antenna (lmao), as while as using them to help filter the detection of targets. Again, an entirely digital upgrade, so in theory any F-2 could have gotten it, but there’s no document ever mentioning an F-2 having gotten it, so it’s very unclear.

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Oh yeah, also something else I forgot to include there, which I do intend to make a bug report on. The J/ASQ-2 can automatically deploy chaff against incoming missiles. Although I’m not sure anyone would actually use it in game due to the relatively limited CM load.

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AESA radars should not lose lock on tracks when switching modes // Gaijin.net // Issues

Figured I’d post it here since it applies to the F-2 as well.

“not possible, engine limitations”

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Hopefully not!

it is the classic awnser to whenever something isnt easily doable due to gaijins spagetthi code

From my understanding of the engine, this should be possible, and relatively easily. Radar track mode swapping is thankfully something that sensor units manually handle, with them having individual tables for handing off track and search modes. So this should be relatively easy to implement by just changing the instruction set for them so they don’t swap TWS lock modes.

Also yeah the F-2 does have this also, it’s called mode interleaving. The J/APG-1 was actually the first radar in the world to have it to my knowledge.

One thing bothers me is that why F2 hasn’t any sort of PD mode.

Don’t get me wrong TWS on F2 is amazing but regular Pd mode would’ve been also nice.

I was hoping they’d merge SRC PD and TWS modes to function similar to old TWS. For example, since AESA radars can track out of the scan range (but within “gimbal” limits) you can just the scan range centered and if it picks up a target, it won’t immediately re-center the scan area on the target and follow it.

This way you can manually switch through targets either cyclicly or via the manual cue but the radar will still stay centered for scanning without needing to recenter it.

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Modern radars get rid of it and don’t use them anymore. I know the RDY and RBE2 aren’t supposed to have the regular search modes and instead should have TWS in multiple prfs

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Hey guys i noticed something.

Does anyone have any source on the J/APG-2 having GaN? I know its like, super commonly stated, but there’s literally no actual sources I can find on it.

Ill try to find a source
Did you find anything lately on your side though

Also from what i know the AAM4 B uses GaN for its aesa seeker

yeah the 4B does, but there’s like nothing saying the J/APG-2 does. Have checked through every TDRI development bulletin, defense symposium, internal project evaluation reports, and external project evaluation reports. Along with the acquisitions for the modernization upgrades for the F-2. And not a single one of them actually mentions it being GaN.

There was a lot of development in 2011 into GaN systems, which is when it’s most often sourced to. However this was specifically done by Toshiba not Mitsubishi Electric. Others cite some development in 2001, however thats far too early for it.

I looked up in other forum pages and other websites
Websites like military periscope state that the radar is using GaN and is the reason why its able to push more power and have more range
Other websites to say the same but most of the sources they used are chinese source and i have a hard time believing they are legitimate sources

The people in the forums say they have sources but most of the time those sources and images arent really related to the J/APG-2 specifically

Yeah the only thing i can track it down to is a single chinese translation of a TRDI article (Which I honestly doubt exists, because I can not find it on any archives, or referenced by any JP sources). And even then it doesn’t even explicitly say it’s for the J/APG-2, it’s just an image of a “High power GaN Module”, which like, it is in the correct wattage and size to be believed for the J/APG-2. But the fact i can’t find it, and everything i can find is development by toshiba is…

According to an interview with Commander of ADTW, Miyawaki Toshiyuki. J/APG-2 uses GaAs.

Source: 軍事研究 10月号 (発売日2013年09月10日)

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kinda wish the 5th and 7th pylon have LJDAM too, since you have to sacrifice another 2 AAM-4 for 4 more LJDAM. i mean it’s nice to have 4 AAM-3 with 8 LJDAM and sniper pod, but other get better/more AtG munition with ARH and IR.

i dunno. i kinda wish it got more for the Ground BR it’s right now.

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Another report about wrong wing external fuel tank modeling.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/Yt3KmCQCqFj2

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Better avionics and a radar similar to the F-15EX