F-2A is a fairly strong 13.7 even without HMD and low number of ARH missiles.
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the F-16A OCU has the AMRAAM because it could technically operate it if they decided to, same for the HMD
the same is the case for the HMD on the Rafale and it having 8 missiles even tho it didnt use it in french service, they could if they wanted to
another good example is the Swiss F-18 having A2G ordiance even tho the Swiss AF never got any A2G armament they could still technically operate it
meanwhile the Finish F-18C (not the MLU 2) did not recive A2G ordinance because Finland removed the neccessary avionics for employing anything but A2A weaponry
so if there is any evidence of the F-2 even testing a HMD gaijin will add it, it only needs proof of the F-2 being compatible with a HMD
Actually yes. If there will be any source for HMD testing on F-2 (still think it wasn’t tested but anyway) so it should be reported to be added to both in game F-2
Similar with AAM-5 what was tested but only at ADTW planes but it shouldn’t be a reason to not add this missile if Gaijin will adding new IR missiles
what you think/ feel like and reality are two different things
and as long as there isnt a source this is pointless
Yeah, also we have documents explicitly stating the AAM-5 is fully compatible on normal F-2s, its simply not cleared for service use.
(funnily, the ADTW F-2 premium we have in game could also get the AAM-5s as it has JDAMs, which were added with the same AMC (Advanced mission computer) upgrade which provided JDAM compatability).
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As I talked many times that there weren’t any proofs of tests of HMD on F-2, what is wrong?
Can it? Even old non modernized F-15J which can’t use AAM-4 but can carry AAM-5 and here are photos of this. Weird that here isn’t photos for F-2
the IRIS-T can be carried in a compatibility mode where it can be used by anything that is that is able to use the Aim-9L
but by doing that the IRIS-T loses some of its capebilities, mainly LOAL but it enables platforms without proper IRIS-T integration to use them
it think the AAM5 is similar to the IRIS-T in that regard
That’s just a 501 paint job on a mockup, not retired.
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Yeah.
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This one is nice! Sad that they closed text but mostly it talks about adding AAM-5 on F-2. Interesting why they haven’t included introducing AAM-5 in the first paragraph.
Maybe it is the reason why here isn’t any photo of serial F-2 with AAM-5 because as I understand this modification still wasn’t delivered (but I can be very wrong here). As for me here weren’t reasons to not add AAM-5 for F-2 when it will be needed but now here is even less of them
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The capability is part of IRAN, so it should be rolled out to a good amount of serial production F-2s, and we have seen F-2s with JDAMs, so some do definitely have the modification.
Testing for the AAM-5 was originally intended to begin with the AAM-4/JDAM in 2014, but we haven’t really seen it until more recently. Perhaps there was some delay with getting AAM-5s specifically to work?
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It could not, even as Thailand bought AMRAAM they could only operate it with the F-16A/B ADF, not the OCU. The OCU needed modification for that, which it never got outside of eMLU upgrades (that make it a completely different model).
Maybe? They did equip their two seat OCUs with DASH HMD and Python missiles, but I’ve never seen any mention of either of those for the single seaters. Personally I think it only makes a potential F-16B OCU less interesting, which would otherwise be a very unique plane and finally an excuse to add another two seater.
They also gave it a radar that doesn’t exist (based on a typo in a book) and a weirdly restrictive CM loadout missing half the dispensers and being the only F-16 with the 30/15 loadout rather than more flexible 60 for some arbitrary reason. Then it’s also missing some armament, like GBU-16 or AGM-65G that are already in game and would be useful, but are still missing somehow.
This was all reported, but instead they gave it semi-historical HMD, which wouldn’t be necessary if it was at proper BR. 13.7 has other planes anyways (including the Gripen from the same subtree), it would’ve been more useful at 13.0 without AMRAAM.
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didnt knew about that thanks for correcting me, but then it might be smarter to just rename it to the eMLU, wouldnt it?
i agree with that as well, but the snail does whatever it wants
all in all thanks again for correcting me, i dont have that much knowledge about the exported F-16 variants
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Yeah, would be doable. It would need a different radar, same as OCU with already wrong radar, and a few model changes, which OCU also needs (just less since for the OCU it’s only the CMs). It’s probably about as close to being an eMLU as it is to being an OCU.
Personally I see room for both, but I guess Gaijin preferred to instead throw 4 variants of Thai F-16 into one instead.
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Honestly they should just transform the OCU to the eMLU. It would make it actually up to par with other F-16s at the same BR.
For the OCU if they still want it in the game can be changed to get 60 CMs, and should retain the 9Ms but remove the 120s and be put at 13.0 or so.
As for the ADF, i dont really know how it would fit in to the game, as thailand didnt operate sparrows to my knowledge and if it got AMRAAMs it would essentially be a worse eMLU
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The OCU has 120, the only Thai F-16s with less are the ADF variants.
The main differenc ein CMs between OCU and eMLU is just that tge OCU uses AN/ALE-40, while the eMLU uses AN/ALE-47. Functionally they’d be the same in game.
Yeah, the ADF is hard to enter. It’s a late ADF modified to use AMRAAM, so it wouldn’t have a CW illuminator for the Sparrows anymore.
So what we end up with it just an F-16 with the lowest CM amount (60), but armed with AIM-9P-4/M and AIM-120C-5/7. Gaijin could go for AIM-120A/B since they’d be compatible, but even that won’t save it.
Really the only thing it has going for it otherwise is KGGB, which is integrated on all Thai F-16s, not just the ADF. But it is interesting to have a CAS weapon on an ADF.
Realistically I see three Thai F-16s for the game only.
- Fixed OCU at 13.0 without AMRAAM or HMD, proper CMs and the missing air to ground armament.
- New eMLU with superior radar and weapons, probably 13.7, but will be higher once it gets the proper IRIS-T and AIM-120C-5/7 loadouts. Even without those it gets some nice upgrades over the current OCU like better radar, proper HMD (in-game it’s not for the radar) and a Sniper XR targeting pod.
- New F-16B OCU, which compared to its single seart counterpart gets DASH HMD and Israeli missiles. I’ve seen Python 3 and 4 mentioned, but only photos of the Python 3 mounted. Thailand does have both in inventory, so unless disproven I’ll give it the benefit of the doubt and say a Python 4 armed F-16 could be interesting. This one might need more research though, since it’s a bit unnecessary if all it adds is HMD and Python 3 (when all OCUs already have the 9M).
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If it has 120 CMs why did gaijin butcher the OCU 😭😭😭😭
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My guess is because the model they comissioned ended up like this and they either don’t know about it or don’t want to pay to have the model remade.
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