Mitsubishi F-2

[かがり]

Consider getting your eyes checked

[ron_23]

You defend the Japanese stuff which were only partly build but yet complain about the Yak141

Don’t you see the hypocrisy

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@Xnekron

These 2 planes are prototypes,

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@ron_23

You defend the Japanese stuff which were only partly build but yet complain about the Yak141

Yes why? constantly denying of stuff if damn well had (another great example the GCS-1 Guided Bomb ➞ Denied for a fake reason)

Whilst russian equipment gain stuff that didnt realistically get. Especially since gaijin promotes war thunder as this “realistic game with historical accuracy”

[not_a_bug1]

Its fine imo and better than standard f16 hud with the lagging gun tunnel

[Xnekron]

A flying plane is still a ptototype without cannons. It existed and was flying, but was never in mass production or service. Same rules as for the Yak-141

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@Xnekron

These 2 planes are prototypes, like Yak-141. And they implemented in the game as they suppose to be in service. WIth 2 or even 4 guns, while IRL they had 0.

I personally find it little bit unfair, that prototypes get everything what engineers planned without looking on cost or practicality, while service aircrafts can’t. But it is what it is

I honestly dont mind, but gaijin needs to be Consistant with it. As we can see its a pick and choose

E.g. T-80U/T-80B only has NVD ➞ A single T-80B/U prototype got thermals = T-80U/T-80B get thermals

whilst some other tank’s only get NVD’s despite having thermals and so on

it’s very inconsistant

[ron_23]

You are a lost cause

You can’t even see the flaw in your own logic you said yourself that the engine for the R2Y2 V1 were build, what is with the rest of the airframe?
Or the R2Y2 V2 and V3

You are the biggest hypocrite I have seen in a while

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@ron_23

You can’t even see the flaw in your own logic you said yourself that the engine for the R2Y2 V1 were build, what is with the rest of the airframe?

Cited a source, go enjoy a trip Mr. Lost cause

[kizvy]

and the v2/v3?
edit* this convo is dumb can we go back to f-2

[ron_23]

Ignoring the rest of my message, aren’t we?

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@ron_23

You are the biggest hypocrite I have seen in a while

Well you seem to cherry pick and take comment’s out of context sooo. I think that speaks volumes about you than it does me

[かがり]

Should be more consistent with matter’s like this, cause as it currently stand’s it is the latter

[ron_23]

Cherry pick?

You are doing the same thing something something Yak141 while ignoring the other paper planes that Japan has

Anyone that is able to think is able to see your blatant hypocrisy

[かがり]

ignorant

[ron_23]

Kikka never had guns mounted yet has them IRL
R2Y2 V2 and V3 were never built, the F-16AJ never existed like it does in wt, and yet you are here to complain about the Yak141

That is truly ignorant

[it_not_FUBAR]

Why argue with each other? The hypocrisy lies with Gaijin—they cherry-pick history to fit their narrative.

[Xnekron]

@かがり

whilst some other tank’s only get NVD’s despite having thermals and so on

So, if you have some documents with/or photos - just send them to Gaijin! Usually people just find some unreliable sources that tell smth these people want to hear and try to argue with them. Gaijin can change vehicles, but they need like 150% proves

[ron_23]

They don’t,
There are different standarts for prototype / paper vehicles than for production ones that entered service.

But it is important to make that distinction.

But within the paper planes they are consistent.
and they are also consistent with production aircraft.

Problems only arise when you try to compare apples to oranges

[it_not_FUBAR]

If Gaijin truly applies ‘consistent standards,’ why do we see such glaring discrepancies in performance modeling?

1. Selective Realism – If prototype/paper vehicles are held to different standards, why do some get overly generous estimations while others are artificially nerfed? This isn’t about “apples vs. oranges”—it’s about cherry-picking data to fit biases.

2. Moving Goalposts – The moment a vehicle underperforms historically, Gaijin dismisses it as “game balance.” But when it’s overpowered, suddenly “historical documents” are absolute. That’s not consistency—that’s hypocrisy.