Well, this is based on the premise that gaijin acknowledge F2 has a2g potential. Gaijin might not even make asm- and Japan’s air to ship bombs🫣F15jm don’t even have jdams
I mean, isn’t it like ‘maritime strike’ primarily?
Yeah, but at least they didn’t use any in reality either.
I hope we get GCS-1 with F-2 finally, so that other aircraft like F-15s, F-4s and F-1/T-2 can get them added as well, and the same for ASM-2 that can also be added to the F-4EJ Kai and F-1.
XGCS-2 would be interesting too, as a laser/GPS glide bomb for F-2 and F-4EJ Kai, but I’m not sure if we will get prototype armaments.
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Not sure if these gcs1s can target moving tank🙂↔️
probably can since it relies of infared homing,
likley very can target tanks
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Great, Japan can at least get sth useful
Yes, they are IIR seekers made to specifically target ships and boats, which are within the same heat signature range as tanks. When considering small boats or landing/assault vehicles it is meant to hit, these are no different in size either. But even then, lower target size can only decrease range, not make tracking impossible.
As for moving targets, naval targets aren’t stationary, and move at similar speeds as well.
With Penguin ASM tracking such targets in game, the more advanced IIR seekers of GCS-1 and ASM-2 shouldn’t have any issues and would likely perform better.
Only issue with GCS-1 is targeting, since you can’t lock it before launch, only after. This might be difficult to use, or made into lock on before launch like they did before for Martel missiles.
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Started as a support fighter, ended as a multirole.
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No, from other images of it you can see it still has the electrical connector on the bottom, markings for electrical connectors with the wing, and some marking for where to connect the electrical stuff. Some of the markings are different, but theres still one in the same spot that looks the same as the one for MRMs on the outer pylons.
The same goes for Penguin irl from what I saw, were You launch it in a general direction, and yet in game It was implemented in the other way (wich Is pretty iffy).
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Honestly I expect the ASM-2B more than GCS-1 for the simple reason that GCS-1 has the same issue that Brimstones do. No IFF autonomous tracking is too strong and at the same time unreliable that it would be frustrating from a gameplay perspective.
ASM-2B, either via sniper pod or navigation pod, could target specific target or the ground just like mavericks, reusing the same stuff the game has. Or in other words, just look at ASMs as bigger mavs or even AASM from Rafale. Though they’d probably be easier to intercept given their size.
Also I don’t think it will be considered a strike aircraft by virtue of F-16C, F-16AJ, etc. existing. Whatever IRL designation it has, in-game it’s a multi-role fighter so it will be treated as such. Though it would be nice if it was a strike fighter so SP costs to switch to the F-15J(M) won’t be affected, giving you two planes to CAP with, realistically.
Rafale can reach its top speed at 101% afterburner, even with a full load of missiles you will reach the wing ripping speeds at like 103-104% afterburner.
I can’t see how the F2 would be a decent 14.0 package, if it gets the 4+4 load it will be a mediocre 13.7 at best
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I still don’t know why people think a fighter is just all BVR and only thinking about 16 vs 16 air RB.
Seems very shortsighted as that’s not even where it will be primarily used.
Yeah but tbf even in GRB it will be behind. If you wanna carry all 8 jdams you get no fox 3s. So either you sacrifice jdams for fox 3s or vice versa. Whereas others get full ground load plus fox 3s.
4 asm-2s you sacrifice any CAP or air to air protection other then 2 AAM-3.
ASM-3 probably not coming. I doubt ASM-2 is as well.
Meanwhile an F-16 can carry 6 mavs and fox 3s plus GBUs
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Don’t get me wrong tho it will be better then anything Japan has at the moment and still hopefully be fun
I think that’s more the other aircraft are too compressed. F-2 is a 14.0 in air RB but the others are higher. Since ground RB has their own battle rating, it’s the same story, just not 14.0.
The obvious answer is don’t carry all 8 and instead carry less.
Same story here, but also just carry 2 ASMs instead. The ability to re-arm and come back is infinitely more valuable than dumping your load and dying.
I don’t expect ASM-3 as that’s pretty modern it seems. Kind of like AAM-5 territory. However, I think at minimum ASM-2 seems to make sense.
Even if it doesn’t come with it, you know me, I don’t care. I just wanted to load with 2x AAM-3 on wingtips, 4x AAM-4 (or AAM-4B if they do that) and just CAP the whole game.
Like I said before, my expectation is F-16AJ but a bit better and as long as they do that, it will be really strong 1 vs 1 against every other CAS platform. Air RB is a meme and in Ground RB, I plan to do what I always do which is keep the skies clear and maybe do some limited CAS to help the team out, if the SP and situation allows.
Regardless, I think it has enough capabilities to put it at 14.0. If they don’t and put it at 13.7, fine with me, but it doesn’t mean it can’t compete with the other fighters either. If the F-16C can, the F-2 most certainly can do better.
Ah yes, 4x 500 lb jdams, truly an unrivaled top tier CAS platform
Like, yeah, i agree it is too modern, but remember the AAM-4B is even more modern. It’s half a decade newer then a AAM-5, and is genuinely near the levels of an amraam D, lets not fool ourselves into thinking it will come to game.
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I don’t think anyone claimed it was an unrivaled CAS platform or ever will be lol. It will finally bring Japan to the table with modern CAS that other nations have had for quite a while. Maybe sub-trees will help but Japan being more postured into self defense was never going to be at the forefront of CAS, imo.
Let me rephrase, having ASM-3 would be like skipping the AIM-9L and going straight for AAM-3 on the EJ Kai. I think the ASM-3 will come but the first ASMs will most likely be the ASM-2/2B. I also think 100% they’ll behave ahistorically because gameplay > realism, just like the AAM-4, but yea.
Mmm, yeah i still don’t exactly think it’s gonna be, on part with other platforms. Like a Su-30/34 can take 6x Kh-38s (the closest comparison in game), 4x MRMs, and 4x SRMs. Meanwhile the F-2 is gonna be stuck with some combined total of 4x ASM-2s/MRMs, and 4x SRMs.
It’s never going to be on par with the best CAS in the game, that’s kinda my point lol. If you want to be CAS dominant, Japan is the wrong nation. However, it will still be miles better than what we have currently, at least compared to the AJ (I think it’s slightly better than the Gripen?).