Inb4 Chinese mains bomb review War Thunder for having the F-2 destroy the J-10
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Did we ever find out what this was? Looks like some kinda MAWS.
It is just RWR
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Damn.
I don’t think F-2 gonna be that bad. I’m pretty sure Gaijin will give HMD. It’s flight performance is also decent. We have rafale with max speed ~1450 km/h and F-2 is comparable (actually, I think it can do more when diving). It also should has close to rafale turn rate. Acceleration is worse, yes: I’d expect TWR ~1 with minimum load, instead of 1.3 on rafale.
Amount of missiles is debatable. We have strong evidence of 4+4 load. But F-2 has inner pylons with similar to medium pylons construction. So, maybe it’s 6+4 loadout? We also know, that AIM-7on outer pylons was proposed on prototypes. So, maybe it’s even 8+2 loadout? We don’t have any 100% evidence for that, but maybe this is one of the reasons why it was delayed?
Idk man you’re coping a bit much. I could see HMD cause gaijin has a track record of it, but its not beating a rafael in terms of speed at any altitude lmao. Yes it can match it in instantanious but its almost deffinitly falling behind in sustained. And yes we could maybe see 6+4, but thats still like, kinda subpar to everything else at 14.0 getting 8 or more ARHs
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Only if you look at BVR with the specific instance of rocketing up to launch multiple ARH missiles and cranking/notching back and forth to launch and defend.
This is why I said in Air RB, the F-15J(M) will still be better as it is the air superiority fighter. However, in anything but BVR, the F-2 will have an edge.
To be fair, as long as it has vertical ACM, it will be able to dogfight well as that’s what I use on the F-16AJ with great success to fight even EFTs and Rafales.
To add, the F-2 will most likely struggle against decent EFT/Rafale pilots who use their thrust to go vertical. It’s quite similar to low-mid tier where other energy fighters can trap the Zero however if they try to turn fight, especially at stall speeds, the F-2 will come out on top.
Most likely not a better motor but with Gaijin ahistorically nerfing the AAM-4, I wouldn’t be surprised if they never unnerf it and instead add the AAM-4B with historical or the AAM-4’s performance. Either way it results in the AAM-4B being a better ARH missile than the AAM-4.
It’s also possible Gaijin will not add it to the F-15J(M) and instead will add it to a future F-15, perhaps the JSI (yes, I know it’s more paper than reality right now) or a new F-15J(M) at a higher BR. They have done stuff like this in the past so they don’t raise the BR of existing aircraft and “create gaps in BR”.
I also agree with this, especially the HMD. Given the recent OCU situation, and top tier in general, I highly doubt Gaijin won’t add it. I mean this is the same company that added the ahistorical F-16AJ. Nothing is off the table.
I also think the flight performance will be good and will surprise people, who again might dismiss it as a fat F-16 and are none the wiser.
Also in general, we’re in modern territory guys. Gaijin could make the F-2 the worst or the best jet in the game. It’s really up to them as it’s a game first and foremost. My personal expectation is a better F-16AJ with AAM-3 and AAM-4 (so it will be among the best dogfighters but still lacking in BVR). Anything more and I’ll be pleasantly surprised.
Did you fly rafale? It simply breaks at 1450-1500 km/h. It’s one of the slowest top tier planes because of that.
At the moment only F/A-18, Su-27SM, Su-30SM and J-11B have more than 8 missiles. 6+4 loadut is better than eurofighter and same as J-11B. It’s less ARH missiles than on rafale, but more in total. If we see 8+2, than it’s third loadout in the game.
People also expect J-10B at 14.0. And it has, like, 6+2?
I doubt we would see that, since the outer pylon MRMs weren’t continued after the initial flight test using mockup equipment. I don’t know of any functional LAMS-7 launcher being integrated there on any F-2, production or experimental. Would be nice, but I won’t hold out hope.
But the inner pylon seems to have all necessary connectors, as well as respective markings indicating it can carry weaponry like ASMs, MRMs and TERs. Though only fuel tanks and bombs on TER have been seen so far, it seems like the best bet.
6 + 4 would be a nice loadout tbh. And with Penguin in game I have good hope for ASM-2 as well.
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My estimations:
4+4 is “definetely yes”.
6+4 is “more yes than no”.
8+2 is “most likely no”.
Some versions of ASMs use GNSS. We should see them even if “seeker can’t see tanks, only ships”
This is why I said in Air RB, the F-15J(M) will still be better as it is the air superiority fighter. However, in anything but BVR, the F-2 will have an edge.
It having a strong acm mode may be good, but it’s not HMD good, and low acceleration and high speed bleed means it’s just, not gonna be good at furballs. It’s A2G is like, pretty good in terms of pure payload, but is that what you want the most anticipated fighter of the JP TT to be? a glorified base bomber? It’s not like it’ll be good in GRB, no glide bombs, and unless gaijin adds in it’s ASMs it’s not particularly gonna be doing well in terms of actively guided weapons. I know stuff says it can use mavericks, but i’ve found literally no evidence of it doing so.
It’s also possible Gaijin will not add it to the F-15J(M) and instead will add it to a future F-15, perhaps the JSI (yes, I know it’s more paper than reality right now) or a new F-15J(M) at a higher BR. They have done stuff like this in the past so they don’t raise the BR of existing aircraft and “create gaps in BR”.
So it’s like, not really possible. The JSI can not use domestic JP missiles, and their is essentially no newer F-15J aside from the JSI, we literally got the most modern version of it. The only way we could get a “better” one, is if we got with with an IEWS package, which technically started development after the current J-MSIP Type II. Although it also funnily enough finished seeing deliveries at the same time, and saw literally no difference aside from ECM stuff we don’t have in game.
Did you fly rafale? It simply breaks at 1450-1500 km/h. It’s one of the slowest top tier planes because of that.
The F-2 is gonna be maxing out at like 1350-1400
F-2 has increased drag due to the changes done to the wing, elevator and radome/ larger strakes
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That’s how I see it too. Inner pylon is definitely compatible, has the markings for ASM/MRM, and at least ASMs on them were part of initial FS-X plans, so I think it’s very likely the F-2 could, even if it isn’t guaranteed.
Yeah, though there is more on Japanese IR seekers vs ground targets than the Penguin missile at least.
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It’s a multi-role aircraft so doing more than just air combat is something I’d expect. The caveat is the F-2 also is incredible in air combat as well. It’s a more generalist that has a surprising niche of dogfighting.
I foresee them adding it with ASM at this point, especially against ground targets. Who knows, ultimately, but this would logically also give Japan a good domestic top tier CAS option.
They said they have been working on it, but my point is more, they could copy paste it and maybe even folder the F-15J(M), just to justify a new aircraft at a different BR.
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Is that already known? I’ve never seen a mention of what missiles are planned for the JSI
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It has been mentioned by official sources that they’re discussing the potential of integratting them, but it’s not currently planned. It makes sense, replacing the weapons computer means they’d need to reprogram it for the weapons, which the US didn’t actually even approve of for the 15J initially. But, more importantly, they’d need to make the rails compatible for the AAM-4, and find a new place for the J/ARG-1.
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How did you find that? F-16C with 6 AMRAAMS, 2000 lbs bomb and 90% of fuel can reach 1416 km/h at see level. And I’m pretty sure all changes on F-2 make less drag than this huge bomb on my right wing.
Ah, so they’re discontinuing AAM-4 on the JSI… But they will likely keep AAM-5 for it
The claimed top speed of the F-2 on the deck by every source is mach 1.1, or roughly 1350kph.