is ADTW everything same as service one??
is F2a can use AAM-5 ??
well maybe IIR is coming we’ll get both best IIR missile
in japanese tech tree IRIS-T and AAM-5 what a lovely
and maybe we’ll get the python 4 yippy!!
ADTW (Air development and test wing) F-2s are generally similar to regular service F-2s, but not always. Given what we know about the AMC upgrade, AAM-5 compatibility should be the same between them, but its not 100% confirmed.
And yeah the thai STT gets Python-4s, but also domestically in the JP TT we could hopefully see the AAM-3s buffed up, which should be very near the Python-4 in terms of performance.
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aam-3 is the best missile right now probably the best of missile except r73
why it’s need to get buffed is something wrong??
mainly dual plane maneuverability which is not special to it and a better seekerhead which is also not special to it
its IRCCM is the same as AIM-9Ms which is also incorrect
Right now its fine for the current balance, but if the Python-4 was added it would be nice to see the AAM-3 better, cause it should more or less compete with it.
(Same IRCCM, a little worse maneuverability, maybe a little more range then the P4 (rn its range is accurate, the Python-4s is just worse).
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I’m not really sure what the differences are between the P4 seeker and the 9M.
Also, how does the seeker on the AAM-3 work? Is it similar to the one on the Python 4?
I guess the AAM-3 will have to wait quite a while to get buffed, since even Israel hasn’t received the Python 4 yet.
The aim-9M uses a kind of seeker shutoff both IRL and in game (IRL its more complex then in game, with things like push ahead and how it uses its scanning pattern). But the Python-4 and AAM-3 both use dual band seekers. Basically they see both IR and UV light, instead of IR. Think like the IRCCM the stinger uses.
Warthunder does not have dedicated dual band IRCCM modeled, so instead they get both seeker shutoff and gate width, as seen on modern SAMs/MANPADs in game.
The AAM-3 isn’t even the only missile missing a dual band seeker, several chinese AAMs (The PL-8B and PL-5EII), should also both have the same dual IRCCM type in game.
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i see
it isnt live yet tho
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I’d much rather if they fixed the ACM. Since there is no HMD, a properly working ACM is something we absolutely need.
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You were flying the Typhoon in the video, it looked like at the point of stall you used "full real controls?
The way you were able to swing the nose round, As someone who flies Typhoon a zero energy Typhoon is an absolute bus.
Oh, I guess if that’s true that might explain the discrepency. I assume in these tests that only mouse aim and normal keyboard inputs are used
I don’t know for sure but the Typhoon to me did not perform normally when in full stall mode like it was the way the player whipped the nose round is not something the assisted flight controls let you do.
If that is the case then some transparency is needed from the testers.
im assuming you are talking about the first round around 8:40? that was the aoa toggle button thing, we do not use sim controls to test match-ups but with the way gaijin has implemented the button it would be silly to ignore it (as much as i despise its addition). also sending it for the shot at 8:40 isnt optimal play either, it would have been far better to continue vertical as walrus was full stalled, i kinda just sent it for fun as the round was effectively won with the first shot.
more importantly with a good stall entrance you dont actually need to use it as demonstrated in the second round, and on top of that the euro can simply just hold its speed as it has a better sustained turn and win that way.
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Last match my radar was blind to a f-18 10km away flying straight at me, radar only detected the missiles it shooted
“It’s not the plane, it’s the servers.”
-John Top Gun
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Say im not dumb or anything but uh why do the aim7ms have less lock range on the f-2a premium compared to the f15j about 15k difference to be specific
It comes down to the platform’s radar and the aircraft’s speed. The F-15J not only flies faster but giving the missile better kinematics and a larger NEZ, but also typically has a more powerful radar, which allows for a longer detection and lock range. That’s why you see about a 15 km difference in lock range for the AIM-7Ms between the F-15J and the F-2A.
So it’s not just the missile itself; it’s also the launch platform’s speed and radar capabilities that directly affect how far out it can lock and effectively engage a target.
and yeah your Ping.
To be honest, the AESA radar on the F-2A both the premium and the tech tree versions is quite underwhelming at the moment. I’m not sure if it’s due to a bug or just how it’s currently modeled, but its detection and lock performance seem noticeably worse than expected for an AESA system.
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