reminds me of the various reports from su 39 where the answer was this the way we want it
Yes, that’s actually it. It cannot be seen that it is connected to the connector, and the same goes for markings. As I will explain later, it is impossible to combine 6ASM and 4MRM.
Missiles can accelerate more. However, staging seems unacceptable, what will happen?
The issue is that you need far more than that.
F-2 [green] vs F-16 [pink]. F-2 currently shares nothing with the F-16 model in wing roots.
wait, are you sure it is accurate to irl? bc in other screenshots you can see difference to real F-2
I didn’t say it was accurate, I just said it’s obviously not copied from F-16 for the game.
That real-life photograph was taken from 120 - 250 meters away.
No amount of in-game screenshots from even 120 meters away will give you a clean image of the F-2, which is why mine is blurry despite being from a 4k render of the game.
The only way to get a better screenshot is if we do a custom match with a tank as the photographer.
The top seems ever so thinner than it should be, but its transition is not that of an F-16.
This is a screenshot from 200 meters away via replay:
And even then it might be correct, cause if I get a more detailed 110 meter screenshot from a good angle for the top end I see this:
Which ends up telling me that the distance is somewhere around 200 meters for the IRL shot to get a better visual of both the top and bottom of the airfoil.
It is entirely possible the model is entirely accurate.
What we do know with 100% certainty is the wing root is not anywhere close to an F-16’s wing root, as the F-2’s is far-steeper in-game.
i have to say im absolutley no fan of having the usefull anti air missiles so far down.
If my math is correct, just to unlock the ability to research AAM-4s will take you 97.000 rp
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I think it would have 2 by default
yeah thats at least something, also no Aim 9 to research luckily
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Coming back into War Thunder after a bit of a hiatus but is the current state of the F-2A still at the mercy of Gaijin as far as features goes?
I feel like the following features could make the plane line up head and shoulders with something like the Rafale or EF2k or Su-30SM… if implemented
- HMD/HMCS (said to be tested with ADTW units but not standard issue)
- Possible x10 AAM loadout (depending on how the pylons are interpreted)
- ASM-2 mystery IR guidance, could be gimmicky for ship only or for tanks too?
Gaijin devs in the past have exercised a lot of leeway on other jets (flares for F-5C, IRST for Yak-141, etc) so I really hope that F-2A gets that treatment because Japan probably isn’t going to get anything top/end tier after this until the F-35
EDIT:
Also with the addition of AIM-120C-5, maybe the ahistorical nerf for the AAM-4 could be reversed too
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"Maybe we need a suggestion thread for this. I don’t think bug reporting managers would even glance at it, if it’s a bug report.
I think the best place for now would be to make a thread advocating for the addition of more features in the dev server section but I’m not able to make a thread there for whatever reason.
I’ll still grind the F-2A, even if it comes really barebones, but it’d be really unfortunate that Japan’s iconic indigenous fighter came a few patches too late to shine as a meta powerhouse
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Not kind of like that, I’m mentioning the NCTR like Rafale’s or Su-30sm’s, which could recognize the specific type of an aircraft. As a newer radar retrofitted in the 2010s, doesn’t it have this feature?
Not really. From what we’ve found out so far there is no indication of MRM compatibility on stations 5/7. The markings I previously thought said MRM, most likely say TER, which would imply that they don’t have the electrical connector for guided weapons (MRM/GBU) in the main electrical panel.
The F-2 was also confirmed to only have four MRM launcher adapters unlike for example the ASMs, where the capability for 6 missiles is also confurmed in documents.
So generally Gaijins loadouts seem to already be pretty much accurate.
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I think the main problem isnt the missile loadout but rather the 60 Countermessures
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It would be 120 since there also underside dispensers that are disabled right now, but bug reports on that were accepted back in friday
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Possibly? Really depends on how Gaijin feels. Should they want to give Japan a 14.0 jet, they’d likely just buff the F-15J(M) as it has so many missing upgrades.
Best we’ll get is 4+4, so x8. Simply no proof of a 6+4 and therefore no x10.
Depends on the future of War Thunder. A lot of nations don’t have tons to add, besides Prototypes and Experiments. I’d love to see Concept/Paper aircraft that lost to the F-2 / F-35, but its more likely we’ll see subtrees in play (eg ASEAN)
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It’s just the pylon interface. In fact, by your logic, STA-5/7 is fuel only.
Yes, like the others, it is clearly stated as a “pylon” - not an adapter or rail.
And the AAM-4 is not compatible with rail launchers. If we use that document we will only get the 7M lol (It’s rumored that the tip of the tail of the F-2 was black in mass production because the ASM motor would cause soot to appear, so it would be less noticeable. The black part doesn’t seem to be the inside.)
Well, here we go again with your logic. We’re going by physical facts, not practical use. The ASM is… 6. The markings… don’t mean much. Other pylon supports GBUs, but it doesn’t say so. The TER connectors… it can coexist with the MRM connector, like other pylons do.
Yeah, look at the panel again.
Umbilicals are common. We’ve looked at the connectors underneath and they don’t look any different. If the connectors are removed, are the ASM wires really there? At least the official documents say it’s for fuel.
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Tbf, if Gaijin feels like it they might even add Shimadzu HMD in context that it was proposed and base it’s indication on one Shimadzu makes for US-2 maritime search & resque aircraft
if they feel like it. They don’t feel like doing a lot of things, especially for certain nations.
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So I guess at this point, the only real leeway tweaks that Gaijin can really do is HMD if they feel like it… and possibly stretching the use of ASM-2s to ground maybe?
For air to air, I feel the F-2 in its current state would be a bit of a weird sidegrade (4+4 AAM) to the F-15JM since the merit is you get AESA… at the cost of HMD, and you’ll get a airframe with more maneuverability and comparable thrust?
For multirole/CAS, it gets guided bombs and more pylons for A2A options but I think looking at it overall, I’d stick to the Thai Gripen since that gets F&F missiles and glide bombs.
I’d really hope they throw Japan a bit of a bone and at least give it a bit more standout features to give players an incentive to grind it. Personally I’d like to see it as a potent multirole rivaling the Su-30 or Rafale in capability.